The Tribulation Period(s)...

[rollinTHUNDER]

Many say that the Jewish calendar is admittedly off by ~240 years.

I've heard that it was off by 220 years, but not 240. I think such a claim is entirely possible, but who can prove it? That is the question in my mind.

On the other hand, I would definitely think it was off by about 200 years or so very easily, since we have been in the generation that will witness the end time events and second coming. According to scripture He can not come until after 2000 years since His first advent. Another thing that should be considered is the extra 5 1/4 days the Gregorian calendar has been adding every year and how long we have been counting this way.

Daniel 7:25

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Cheers

[rollinTHUNDER]

Modern scholars have cooked up the so-called seven year tribulation to help identify their various rapture theories, when they started adding prefixes (pre, mid and post) to the tribulation. Daniel's 70th week, however, will in fact, be seven years in duration, but the term "seven-year-tribulation" is not biblical. These same scholars try to say the first 3 1/2 years are the tribulation, and the second 3 1/2 years are the great tribulation, which is not biblical either. Daniel and Christ both have the tribulation period occurring after the abomination of desolation, which begins in the midst of the week, and scriptures do identify this time as 1260 days, forty-two months and/or 3 1/2 years for (time, times and the dividing of time). These 3 1/2 years all occur in the second half of the seven year period. There is no such numbering of days for the first half of the seven years anywhere in the Bible. Daniel 12:1 calls this a time of trouble, which also occurs after the abomination of desolation. These scholars also believe the first half is a false peace when Israel will finally be permitted to rebuild the Temple, but if this is a false peace, then it can not be anything close to resembling an unprecedented time of trouble or tribulation. They can't have it both ways, but that old adage is true, if you keep saying something long enough, eventually many people will start believing it, which is exactly where we are at today, in the midst of a huge misconception.

I can't find it anywhere. Can someone please tell me where it is? Show me in God's Word where we have mention of a seven year tribulation. Oh, and good luck!

Cheers

[Last Daze]

Modern scholars have cooked up the so-called seven year tribulation to help identify their various rapture theories, when they started adding the prefixes (pre, mid and post) to the tribulation. There will be Daniel's 70th week, which will be seven years in duration, but the term "seven year tribulation" is not biblical. These same scholars try to say the first 3 1/2 years are the tribulation, and the second 3 1/2 years are the great tribulation, which is not biblical either. Daniel and Christ both have the tribulation period occurring after the abomination of desolation, which occurs in the midst of the week, and scriptures do identify this time as 1260 days, forty-two months and/or 3 1/2 years for (time, times and the dividing of time). These 3 1/2 years all occur in the second half of the seven year period. There is no such numbering of days for the first half of the seven years anywhere in the Bible. Daniel 12:1 calls this a time of trouble, which also occurs after the abomination of desolation. These scholars also believe the first half is a false peace when Israel will finally be permitted to rebuild the Temple, but if this is a false peace, then it can not be anything close to resembling an unprecedented time of trouble or tribulation. They can't have it both ways, but that old adage is true, if you keep saying something long enough, eventually many people will start believing it, which is exactly where we are at today, in the midst of a huge misconception.

I rest my case. Now someone can be my guest and show me where I have missed it. Show me in God's Word where we have mention of a seven year tribulation. Oh, and good luck!

Cheers

 

Couldn't have said it better.  The term "tribulation" has been so misapplied, usually in an effort to conform the Bible to an idea, even to the point of making it synonymous with "judgment".  Other terms, such as "ten nation federation", "seal judgments", "revived Roman empire", "Antichrist's lieutenant" are other terms, along with "seven year tribulation" and "seven year time of judgment" that I consider unbiblical.  I also don't think the Bible carves out a specific time of tribulation that is different from the great tribulation in the end times.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Modern scholars have cooked up the so-called seven year tribulation to help identify their various rapture theories, when they started adding the prefixes (pre, mid and post) to the tribulation. There will be Daniel's 70th week, which will be seven years in duration, but the term "seven year tribulation" is not biblical. These same scholars try to say the first 3 1/2 years are the tribulation, and the second 3 1/2 years are the great tribulation, which is not biblical either. Daniel and Christ both have the tribulation period occurring after the abomination of desolation, which occurs in the midst of the week, and scriptures do identify this time as 1260 days, forty-two months and/or 3 1/2 years for (time, times and the dividing of time). These 3 1/2 years all occur in the second half of the seven year period. There is no such numbering of days for the first half of the seven years anywhere in the Bible. Daniel 12:1 calls this a time of trouble, which also occurs after the abomination of desolation. These scholars also believe the first half is a false peace when Israel will finally be permitted to rebuild the Temple, but if this is a false peace, then it can not be anything close to resembling an unprecedented time of trouble or tribulation. They can't have it both ways, but that old adage is true, if you keep saying something long enough, eventually many people will start believing it, which is exactly where we are at today, in the midst of a huge misconception.

I rest my case. Now someone can be my guest and show me where I have missed it. Show me in God's Word where we have mention of a seven year tribulation. Oh, and good luck!

Cheers

 

Couldn't have said it better.  The term "tribulation" has been so misapplied, usually in an effort to conform the Bible to an idea, even to the point of making it synonymous with "judgment".  Other terms, such as "ten nation federation", "seal judgments", "revived Roman empire", "Antichrist's lieutenant" are other terms, along with "seven year tribulation" and "seven year time of judgment" that I consider unbiblical.  I also don't think the Bible carves out a specific time of tribulation that is different from the great tribulation in the end times.

This type of teaching was foretold long ago.

2 Timothy 4:1-4

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

It's sad really, but who would have ever imagined how bad this would become? Not only is this nonsense found in the commentary sections of some of the newer translations, but they are actually teaching this garbage as truth in many theological seminaries to our young men wanting to enter into the ministry.  It will take them many years to discover that they have been misled and most of them will never even know.  No wonder Christ chose His disciples from among fishermen, tax collectors and the common men of that day, because He knew their minds were not already corrupted by the religious hypocrites.

Cheers

[Guest]

The word tribulation appears 22 times in the Bible.  Three of those times are in the Old Testament where it refers to Israel being in trouble, which is the primary meaning of the word.  Of the three, only Deut. 4:30 is in the general context of the End Times.  The remaining 19 references are in the New Testament, and of those only 5 concern the End times Judgments.  3 of them are preceded by the word great, and the other 2 are used in the context of the Great Tribulation.

The first mention of Great Tribulation in the Bible is in Matt. 24:21 and from this and other places we know Jesus was referring to the 3.5 year span of time just before His return. All five End Times references in the New Testament are to that 3.5 year period.

So there is no specific reference in the Bible describing the final seven years before the Lord’s return as the Tribulation. The proper name for the final seven years is Daniel’s 70th Week. That’s when Israel’s 7 year covenant is enforced by the anti-Christ (Daniel 9:27). The Great Tribulation is the last half of that week of years and begins when the anti-Christ makes the Temple desolate by claiming he’s God (2 Thes. 2:4).

Those of us who subscribe to a pre-trib rapture actually expect the Church to disappear before the 70th week of Daniel begins.

[ghtan]

Hi there! I am new to this forum. I am a mid-tribber myself. I see that most people think the various references to 3 1/2 years in Revelation apply to the same period, but isn't it strange for John to use different expressions for the same period? Does it not suggest that he may have different 3 1/2 year periods in mind? After all, the final 7 years is divided into two 3 1/2 year periods. And if indeed the antichrist desolates the temple in the middle of the 7 years, as many think, why does he choose this point to do so? What prompts him? As a mid-tribber, I believe the rapture is the cause of the antichrist turning against Israel; it certainly should change his view of how much time he has left.

[Daniel 11:36]

The 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel as specified in Daniel 9 and 12 is all still future ..... supporting scriptures with more details given [Psalms 83; Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:7; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12: 13: 14; Matthew 25; Luke 21:20-36; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 11: 12:6: 12:14-17]

 

All of the period will be "great tribulation" upon the earth .... the beginning of the coming day of the Lord and His judgment which will last for 2550 days

 

None of the events in these prophecies have taken place in the past and the period of the 70th week of 2520 days will begin here [Revelation 6:12-17] .... all of the period will be unprecedented tribulation brought about by the Lord 's judgment upon an unbelieving world

 

The other prince that shall come will not confirm any so called "peace treaty" ... it is the Lord who confirms the covenant that He has with His nation of Israel [Jeremiah 31:31-37] .... the other prince will come to desecrate

 

Daniel 9:12  adds 30 days and 45 days to the same period .... the battle of Armageddon will take place in the 30 days and the next 45 days will involve the Lord's gathering of all of the mortal survivors of the tribulation

 

He will separate them and those found believing will enter and populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth ....those found in unbelief will be rejected .... first of Israel [Matthew 24:29-31] .... and then the Gentiles of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46]

 

The purpose of the entire 2550 days will be to pressure a remnant of Israel to turn to Him as Messiah and King, and at the same time to punish the unbelieving nations of the Gentiles ... the Lord Himself will bring the judgment .... His hour [time] of trial that will come suddenly upon the whole world [Psalms 2; Revelation 3:10]

 

Ezekiel's vision in 38; 39 read in conjunction with Daniel 11: has two parts:

 

Ezekiel 38 reviews the build up of alliances of Satan's nesting in the northern Middle during the first 1260 days [satan's beast in the "little" horn of Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince and his human followers]; 11:36-29] .... these will be the Muslims of the Middle East

 

Satan's beast in the little horn and human king of the north must confederate his Middle Eastern kingdom by making alliances and by conquering his opposition from other nations of the earth .... these things will take place during the first 1260 days and will cause much upheaval upon the earth .... then he will rule fro the next 1260 days [42 months]

 

Israel will be be invaded and occupied during the second 1260 days [42 months] [times, time 1/2 time] by the same at the middle of the of the 70th  week [Daniel 11:41; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 11; 13:1-5]

 

So all of the 70 week will be great tribulation upon the earth as this beast rages in the process to form his kingdom with 10 other human Middle Eastern kings

 

The beginning of the stage setting up for these things to come to pass is now in process .... yet the 70th week is still pending at this time

 

The current Middle East is in turmoil and this fracturing of the region will bring on the appearance and rising of of Satan's mimic .... that some would call the "antichrist" [2 Thessalonians 2:8-112]

 

This one will be a war monger  .... not a peace maker, and he will shake the entire earth with his ambition to rule the globe

Edited October 21, 2014 by Daniel 11:36

[Willa]

God kept some from going through the great trib.

Luke 21:36  Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.  Rev. 3:10  Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

 

God kept some safe through it all.  144,000 Jews were sealed who were to go through it.   Rev. 7:4-8

 

Many of God's people were killed during the great trib. Rev 7:9-17

 

You speak as if the Great Tribulation already happened, using past tense wording.  Do you believe it has happened and is not the future?

Sorry should be will keep and will seal.. I was recollecting verses I had read.

[Daniel 11:36]

The Lord will come just before and snatch [Greek "harpazo"] all living believers off of the planet .... then these and all of the dead in Christ of the past will be immortalized in a flash [1 Corinthians 15:20-23; 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-9; 2 Thessalonians 2:1; Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

 

Here is the proof of this event:

 

These will dwell in the heavenly state of immortality during the coming judgment of the the earth .... these have no need to be judged by the Lord's fierce wrath against an unbelieving world [Revelation 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 11:1; 12:12; 13:6; 17:14; 19:1-9] .... they will be already saved by His grace

 

These will then contend with the Lord against Satan's beast and his human followers at Armageddon [Revelation 19:11-21], and will then rule with Him over His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Revelation 20:4] [those on thrones]

 

There will be some of both Israel and the nations of the Gentiles that will become believers during the tribulation .... those killed for their faith during the period will be resurrected at the end of it [Revelation 6:9-11; 11: 3-12; 15:2-3; 20:4] [those martyred for their faith] .... and those mortals that survive will be gathered by the Lord and separated .... those found believing will enter and populate His millennial kingdom .... those found in unbelief will be rejected  

Edited October 21, 2014 by Daniel 11:36

[rollinTHUNDER]

The Lord will come just before and snatch [Greek "harpazo"] all living believers off of the planet ....

Wait a second. The Lord will come just before...what?