do you speak in tongues

[Holy Joe]

Ive stated before, tongues is a message to you, to the individual and that message is – It takes using your faith to accomplish and manifest a task. And no matter what language one speaks, English, French, Spanish, what ever,

those who speak in tongues understand that same message. And in Acts they all understood the same thing and so do we all who speak. The message in tongues is it takes faith to do it. The message is to the individual, it is a lesson in using faith.

Tongues is least of the gifts yet most cant even muster enough faith to speak in tongues, let alone heal the sick of raise the dead.

Some use tongues almost like a religion and worship it as evidence one had Gods Holy Spirit saying you must speak in tongues to have Gods Spirit. But that isn’t evidence one has Gods Holy Spirit, it is evidence one used faith to manifest what wasn’t before. Everyone who has what Jesus had in him has Gods Holy Spirit. And those who do, these signs follow. God isn’t going to zap you with these gifts, you have to use your faith to accomplish.

Joe

Whoa there Joe, you make it sound like the use of tongues is a measure of a persons faith, show us where it says that in the Bible. When was the last time you raised somebody from the dead?

7 years ago, and not my brother nor I, but Jesus through our prayers.

The prayer? "Not him Lord, not today".

Speaking in tongues is easy after seeing Jesus at work like that.

Anything is easy to believe in His name after that.....

That's interesting Fez, sounds like a good real life story to learn by. Was it a near death experiences or somebody that was declared dead by doctors and with God's will, came back to life? I've heard of such cases, but I never talked to anyone who has witnessed it or anyone who came back to life. (I truly believe it is possible)

[Holy Joe]

Ive stated before, tongues is a message to you, to the individual and that message is – It takes using your faith to accomplish and manifest a task. And no matter what language one speaks, English, French, Spanish, what ever,

those who speak in tongues understand that same message. And in Acts they all understood the same thing and so do we all who speak. The message in tongues is it takes faith to do it. The message is to the individual, it is a lesson in using faith.

Tongues is least of the gifts yet most cant even muster enough faith to speak in tongues, let alone heal the sick of raise the dead.

Some use tongues almost like a religion and worship it as evidence one had Gods Holy Spirit saying you must speak in tongues to have Gods Spirit. But that isn’t evidence one has Gods Holy Spirit, it is evidence one used faith to manifest what wasn’t before. Everyone who has what Jesus had in him has Gods Holy Spirit. And those who do, these signs follow. God isn’t going to zap you with these gifts, you have to use your faith to accomplish.

Joe

Whoa there Joe, you make it sound like the use of tongues is a measure of a persons faith, show us where it says that in the Bible. When was the last time you raised somebody from the dead?

It is a measure of faith and most don’t even have that. Tell me how one can speak in tongues if he doesn’t use that measure of faith to do it?. And tell me how one could raise the dead if there is no faith that you can, and tell me how you might heal the sick if there is no faith? You miss the whole point in tongues and exercising your faith. Can you do any of these with out faith?

And It has been a few years sense one was raised from the dead. But then who will believe it -- You? No you won’t! You have to see it right? I figured that – after all it would take faith to believe that someone even Jesus could do that now wouldn’t it?

By the way, I was raised from the dead. Don’t believe that either do you?

Joe

7 years ago, and not my brother nor I, but Jesus through our prayers.

The prayer? "Not him Lord, not today".

Speaking in tongues is easy after seeing Jesus at work like that.

Anything is easy to believe in His name after that.....

That's interesting Fez, sounds like a good real life story to learn by. Was it a near death experiences or somebody that was declared dead by doctors and with God's will, came back to life? I've heard of such cases, but I never talked to anyone who has witnessed it or anyone who came back to life. (I truly believe it is possible)

[oldzimm]

Joe I believe anything is possible through Jesus Christ, as in the example Fez gave. The question that you failed to answer, is where in the Bible does it say those that speak in tongues have more faith then those that don't. I don't believe speaking in tongues is a measure of faith between Christians, less somebody through scripture can prove me wrong.

I believe that the Church (Believers in Christ) have different gifts to build up the body of Christ and the gifts aren't a measure of faith between believers.

Romans 12:3-8

English Standard Version (ESV)

3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. 4 For as in one body we have many members,[a] and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

Ephesians 4:11-13

English Standard Version (ESV)

11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds[a] and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood,[c] to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,

[enoob57]

Steven, I am sorry I have upset you my brother.

Yes, we should always test the spirits! All I know to say is that when I am in my 'prayer closet' , just me and God, this language just comes. I don't have to understand it, just trust. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of speaking ANY and ALL languages, even those that are no longer in use today. This prayer language bypasses the brain & to me this makes it a more pure prayer than one that has my 'not totally regenerated brain' involved.

When I am in the middle of praying & worshiping God, do you really think satan steps in,takes over & starts talking gibberish, with my mouth?? I sure don't! I believe the Spirit either prays through us or enables our spirit & gives it the words to speak. (I lean more toward the Spirit speaking through us)

I agree with the Apostle Paul where he would have liked all to speak with tongues. It is edifying to the individual as a part of personal prayer time.

You know our Father, seek Him about it. That's what I had to do. I was raised in a denomination that did not believe in tongues for today & it was hard to accept when I first was around people that did it. But, here I am now & I love it!

Be blessed Steven!

your sister, Deb

You haven't upset me! My distress is that I have no available means to evaluate the tongues and as you are in your personal

time in The Lord and feel it to be an emotional increase of love toward God and a benefit... but based on feeling rather than Scripture you feel assured yet objectively you cannot aid me in the examination of edification through God's Word... I am leary of anything that is filtered through emotion without Scriptural foundational witness... You may ask me what harm could this be if I increase in God's love in my heart? Well the very simple of things it is a practice outside of Scriptural foundations where evaluations with the mind and heart is possible. However this is totally based on faith that it is from God due to the emotional benefit received when practiced... To many this may seem trivial but the only objective foundation I have is The Written Word and I just am not willing to let it go for an emotional encouragement... Thank you Deb for your gentle concern and love as I have treasured your response but as I have communicated my heart to you that you may know that I will remain guarded in this area... we as family 'Father' we (You and I) will continue so unto the resolve of this into eternity with our Lord .... Love, Steven

[goldust59]

Steven, I am sorry I have upset you my brother.

Yes, we should always test the spirits! All I know to say is that when I am in my 'prayer closet' , just me and God, this language just comes. I don't have to understand it, just trust. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of speaking ANY and ALL languages, even those that are no longer in use today. This prayer language bypasses the brain & to me this makes it a more pure prayer than one that has my 'not totally regenerated brain' involved.

When I am in the middle of praying & worshiping God, do you really think satan steps in,takes over & starts talking gibberish, with my mouth?? I sure don't! I believe the Spirit either prays through us or enables our spirit & gives it the words to speak. (I lean more toward the Spirit speaking through us)

I agree with the Apostle Paul where he would have liked all to speak with tongues. It is edifying to the individual as a part of personal prayer time.

You know our Father, seek Him about it. That's what I had to do. I was raised in a denomination that did not believe in tongues for today & it was hard to accept when I first was around people that did it. But, here I am now & I love it!

Be blessed Steven!

your sister, Deb

You haven't upset me! My distress is that I have no available means to evaluate the tongues and as you are in your personal

time in The Lord and feel it to be an emotional increase of love toward God and a benefit... but based on feeling rather than Scripture you feel assured yet objectively you cannot aid me in the examination of edification through God's Word... I am leary of anything that is filtered through emotion without Scriptural foundational witness... You may ask me what harm could this be if I increase in God's love in my heart? Well the very simple of things it is a practice outside of Scriptural foundations where evaluations with the mind and heart is possible. However this is totally based on faith that it is from God due to the emotional benefit received when practiced... To many this may seem trivial but the only objective foundation I have is The Written Word and I just am not willing to let it go for an emotional encouragement... Thank you Deb for your gentle concern and love as I have treasured your response but as I have communicated my heart to you that you may know that I will remain guarded in this area... we as family 'Father' we (You and I) will continue so unto the resolve of this into eternity with our Lord .... Love, Steven

[saved34]

Steven, I am sorry I have upset you my brother.

Yes, we should always test the spirits! All I know to say is that when I am in my 'prayer closet' , just me and God, this language just comes. I don't have to understand it, just trust. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of speaking ANY and ALL languages, even those that are no longer in use today. This prayer language bypasses the brain & to me this makes it a more pure prayer than one that has my 'not totally regenerated brain' involved.

When I am in the middle of praying & worshiping God, do you really think satan steps in,takes over & starts talking gibberish, with my mouth?? I sure don't! I believe the Spirit either prays through us or enables our spirit & gives it the words to speak. (I lean more toward the Spirit speaking through us)

I agree with the Apostle Paul where he would have liked all to speak with tongues. It is edifying to the individual as a part of personal prayer time.

You know our Father, seek Him about it. That's what I had to do. I was raised in a denomination that did not believe in tongues for today & it was hard to accept when I first was around people that did it. But, here I am now & I love it!

Be blessed Steven!

your sister, Deb

You haven't upset me! My distress is that I have no available means to evaluate the tongues and as you are in your personal

time in The Lord and feel it to be an emotional increase of love toward God and a benefit... but based on feeling rather than Scripture you feel assured yet objectively you cannot aid me in the examination of edification through God's Word... I am leary of anything that is filtered through emotion without Scriptural foundational witness... You may ask me what harm could this be if I increase in God's love in my heart? Well the very simple of things it is a practice outside of Scriptural foundations where evaluations with the mind and heart is possible. However this is totally based on faith that it is from God due to the emotional benefit received when practiced... To many this may seem trivial but the only objective foundation I have is The Written Word and I just am not willing to let it go for an emotional encouragement... Thank you Deb for your gentle concern and love as I have treasured your response but as I have communicated my heart to you that you may know that I will remain guarded in this area... we as family 'Father' we (You and I) will continue so unto the resolve of this into eternity with our Lord .... Love, Steven

This is an amazing post, Steven! This is pretty much my stance on the issue. I personally have no problems at all with my brothers and sisters speaking in tongues as they feel led of the Spirit to do so. I have a problem with the crowd who tries to enforce tongues on every believer, and say such things as it is a necessary sign for the reception of the Holy Spirit. Too many people attribute Spiritual life to feelings, or some kind of unnatural occurrence. Spiritualism is simply opposite of naturalism. We all (believers ) arein the Spirit by the mere fact that he indwells us, and there is no tarrying or waiting for the Spirit to indwell us. If you do not have the Spirit of God, you are not his. No in between, no limbo status, you are not apart of God's family.

Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

In this age the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is always spoken of as a fact, and as a past event. The only command concerning the Spirit for the New Testament believer is being filled, and our Lord said that filling will come from the inside, not the outside.

Joh 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Joh 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"

Joh 7:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Belief on the Glorified and risen Christ results in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit apart from Tongues or any other sign gifts. The Holy Spirit is the seal that God has given us until he comes back to get us. This action places us in the body of Christ and unites us all. [end rant}

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 1:14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

[Floatingaxe]

Steven, I am sorry I have upset you my brother.

Yes, we should always test the spirits! All I know to say is that when I am in my 'prayer closet' , just me and God, this language just comes. I don't have to understand it, just trust. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of speaking ANY and ALL languages, even those that are no longer in use today. This prayer language bypasses the brain & to me this makes it a more pure prayer than one that has my 'not totally regenerated brain' involved.

When I am in the middle of praying & worshiping God, do you really think satan steps in,takes over & starts talking gibberish, with my mouth?? I sure don't! I believe the Spirit either prays through us or enables our spirit & gives it the words to speak. (I lean more toward the Spirit speaking through us)

I agree with the Apostle Paul where he would have liked all to speak with tongues. It is edifying to the individual as a part of personal prayer time.

You know our Father, seek Him about it. That's what I had to do. I was raised in a denomination that did not believe in tongues for today & it was hard to accept when I first was around people that did it. But, here I am now & I love it!

Be blessed Steven!

your sister, Deb

You haven't upset me! My distress is that I have no available means to evaluate the tongues and as you are in your personal

time in The Lord and feel it to be an emotional increase of love toward God and a benefit... but based on feeling rather than Scripture you feel assured yet objectively you cannot aid me in the examination of edification through God's Word... I am leary of anything that is filtered through emotion without Scriptural foundational witness... You may ask me what harm could this be if I increase in God's love in my heart? Well the very simple of things it is a practice outside of Scriptural foundations where evaluations with the mind and heart is possible. However this is totally based on faith that it is from God due to the emotional benefit received when practiced... To many this may seem trivial but the only objective foundation I have is The Written Word and I just am not willing to let it go for an emotional encouragement... Thank you Deb for your gentle concern and love as I have treasured your response but as I have communicated my heart to you that you may know that I will remain guarded in this area... we as family 'Father' we (You and I) will continue so unto the resolve of this into eternity with our Lord .... Love, Steven

This is an amazing post, Steven! This is pretty much my stance on the issue. I personally have no problems at all with my brothers and sisters speaking in tongues as they feel led of the Spirit to do so. I have a problem with the crowd who tries to enforce tongues on every believer, and say such things as it is a necessary sign for the reception of the Holy Spirit. Too many people attribute Spiritual life to feelings, or some kind of unnatural occurrence. Spiritualism is simply opposite of naturalism. We all (believers ) arein the Spirit by the mere fact that he indwells us, and there is no tarrying or waiting for the Spirit to indwell us. If you do not have the Spirit of God, you are not his. No in between, no limbo status, you are not apart of God's family.

Rom 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

In this age the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is always spoken of as a fact, and as a past event. The only command concerning the Spirit for the New Testament believer is being filled, and our Lord said that filling will come from the inside, not the outside.

Joh 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Joh 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"

Joh 7:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Belief on the Glorified and risen Christ results in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit apart from Tongues or any other sign gifts. The Holy Spirit is the seal that God has given us until he comes back to get us. This action places us in the body of Christ and unites us all. [end rant}

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 1:14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Amen, y'all!

[oldzimm]

Oldzimm:

Whoa there Joe, you make it sound like the use of tongues is a measure of a persons faith, show us where it says that in the Bible. When was the last time you raised somebody from the dead?

Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Joe:

Tongues is least of the gifts yet most cant even muster enough faith to speak in tongues, let alone heal the sick of raise the dead.

I am not certain tongues would be considered a "Least" gift, it takes more faith to speak Prophecy, (Speak what the Lord speaks to you.) Paul said the measure in where your at, and grace given, operate in the gifts, according to the portion of your faith. Faith can always be increased of course, to be more sure, and bold.

Raising the Dead:

Yes, there is a gift of supernatural faith, and Healings, and miracles. Not sure what all would the Lord would classify as being needed to raise the dead. I have laid hands on the sick, and seen them healed instantly. No doubt in my mind about the Lord's will concerning healing.

Raising the dead though? Jesus said I only do what I see my father do, I only say what my father said. I would think something like this would need direction from the Lord, since we are also dealing with Judgement. A person just dies once, then judgement.

I had a situation where someone's sister died, and I got the call to agree in faith that she be raised. The Lord spoke to me right away (Not a voice I hear with my ears, but inside.) He said... "Don't you ask me that."

I called back, and told them to leave it alone, and don't tell this girl her sister is coming back.

So, outside of tongues, in any other gift The Lord has used me in, it's just came as the Lord see's fit. Distributing to every man as the Lord wills. Even Healing, I have been used in instant healing, but from my experience, most complete healing is not overnight, or even a month. It's trusting God, and standing on his word, being on the Lord's side about your healing, keeping strife out, being obedient, walking in love. There are so many factors besides just having faith.

Be blessed.

Sorry "Believeinhim", I missed your post, but I think I can refer you back to my last post, no sense in reinventing the wheel. Read closely Romans 12:3.

And Joe, I too was raised from the dead, the day I was baptized.

[Fez]

Rom_8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

[gdemoss]

undecided.