He went out conquering and to conquer.

[ARGOSY]

I believe the white horse represents the world conflict coming from western Europe and the crusades. The crusaders even used a white horse as their symbol. It represents western Europe's attempts to dominate Israel. They finally succeeded in WW1 in 1917. At this point world conflict was handed over to communism, the red horse which began its conflict in 1917.

 

When the Berlin war fell in 1989, this was when the new source of world conflict began. Jewish bankers control America and the west and send their armies to weaken the Middle East. The banking industry has the traditional symbol of the black horse.  The Gulf war occurred in 1990 and the West has been invading and destabilising Arab countries ever since in order to establish their Turkey/Israeli dominance in the region.

 

Once this Turkey/Israeli dominance of the region is established, then we will move over to the pale green horse stage. The pale green horse is the symbol of Islam.

[Last Daze]

 

 I believe the rider of the white horse in Rev. 6:2 to be the antichrist.  Notice he is given a bow, no arrows, and is sent out to conquer.  The A/C will conquer the world without firing a shot.  Strictly opinion.

If we take the seals in chronological sequences and compare them with the Olivet Discourse, then this cannot be the Antichrist. I believe (as someone else has pointed out) that this seal speaks of false messiahs (Mt 24:4,5):

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

The Olivet Discourse gives us a chronological sequence of events, where the first five seals match Mt 24:1-14.  The conquering is by deception (probably why no arrows).

 

 

I see the first seal as the release of the beast (fallen angel) from the abyss per Rev 17.  The result, of course, would be an increase in deception as he works behind the scenes to ultimately bring about the false prophet.

[Last Daze]

The white horse is the Holy Spirit. There is nothing else in the past, and nothing that has been revealed concerning the future, that can be made to harmonize with this scene of the white horse.

 

 

Here is what the first seal says:

 

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.  Rev 6:1-2

 

I'm not sure who you see as the rider of the white horse if the horse is the Holy Spirit.  If you meant to say that the Holy Spirit is the rider of the white horse then where in scripture do we see Him getting a crown and fulfilling the role of conqueror?  I'm not aware of any support for that.

 

The beast (fallen angel) of Rev 17 that comes up out of the abyss is described as an eighth king, so that explains the crown.

 

The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth [king] and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction. Rev 17:11

 

The way he conquers without peace being removed from the earth is through deception.  It is the undercurrent that causes the falling away or apostasy that must precede the false prophet.  This harmonizes nicely with Jesus' description in Matthew 24.  The white horse could be symbolic of his "conquering" or could represent the notion that evil will be seen as good.

 

 

White is used exclusively throughout the Bible to designate things DIVINE and PURE.

 

 

While it may be true that things divine and pure are often described as white, the converse is not necessarily true, i.e. not all things white are divine and pure.

 

 

All other causes of dispute put together have not contributed nearly as much to hostility between human beings as the single cause of religious difference regarding the gospel. Yeshua’s words have proved profoundly true: “I came NOT to send peace, but a SWORD”! .What tremendous foresight Yeshua possessed

 

 

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.  Matthew 10:34-36

 

A little context shows that He is not talking about armed conflict.  He's talking about His preeminence in our lives, even at the expense of family ties.

[Last Daze]

Hey Last Daze, hope you been well?

 

If we look at the 8th king what crown is he wearing? DIADEMA or STEPHANOS? Even if we go by the bases it doesn't mentioned crown, that can not be a legitimate reason to associate the 8th king to the White horse.

It is a virtual certainty the Antichrist will not be wearing a STEPHANOS as nowhere is the meaning of this word ever used with the Antichrist.

 

 

Hi inchrist.  I've been well...thanks.

 

I never meant to imply that the false prophet (Antichrist) was the eighth king, nor the rider of the white horse.  He is one of the seven.  It is the beast, who is a fallen angel, who is said to be an eighth king.  He is an eighth king because the multinational government (feet of iron and clay) he "fathered" has no king.  By default, so to speak, he is an eighth king because he rules it, albeit behind the scenes.

 

I agree with your crown assessment for the most part.  I have no issue with the white horse rider (a fallen angel, evil spirit being, not a human) being given a "stephanos" since his conquering is more of a spiritual nature than a physical one.  It seems quite fitting in fact that he should appear as an angel of light since he causes the apostasy before the false prophet arrives.

 

 

The bible calls on 2 witnesses for facts.

 

What scriptures do you use to support the Holy Spirit being given a crown and tasked with conquering?

 

The symbolism of the bow with no arrows reflects that his conquering is not by force.  This is confirmed by the next seal where peace is removed from the earth.  We know that there will be a time of great deception because of what Jesus said in Matthew 24.  Paul also talks about an apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2 that comes before the false prophet and the day of the Lord.  The apostasy is a result if such a deception.

 

The second through fourth seals talk of a great time of war on a massive scale.

 

 

I believe the misconception of the black horse is it has been associated with famine, it should be noted that to the rider ON THE GREEN HORSE power is given to kill “with hunger.” (hunger = famine and death) Therefore we can not have a duplicate.

 

 

The third seal:

 

When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come.” I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”  Revelation 6:5-6

 

I don't see a duplicate.  Notice that there is food here, not famine.  This is more of a reference to rationing.  During war, supply lines are interrupted.  With millions and millions of people unable to provide their own sustenance, this becomes a huge issue.  I don't see any reference to deception because of the scales.  Based on the context of war, rationing seems more likely, rationing that eventually leads to famine.  The fourth seal shows the fullness of the time of war that started with the second seal.

 

What Jesus describes in Matthew 24 is a time of:

 

Deception

War

Famine

Pestilence

Great Tribulation

 

A summary of the first five seals...as I see it.  And after the great tribulation, He describes the sixth seal.

[MorningGlory]

 

 I believe the rider of the white horse in Rev. 6:2 to be the antichrist.  Notice he is given a bow, no arrows, and is sent out to conquer.  The A/C will conquer the world without firing a shot.  Strictly opinion.

If we take the seals in chronological sequences and compare them with the Olivet Discourse, then this cannot be the Antichrist. I believe (as someone else has pointed out) that this seal speaks of false messiahs (Mt 24:4,5):

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

The Olivet Discourse gives us a chronological sequence of events, where the first five seals match Mt 24:1-14.  The conquering is by deception (probably why no arrows).

 

 

Correct; the conquering IS by deception.  The rider is obviously the anti-Christ.  No other player in Revelation goes forth to conquer.

[WilliamL]

What Jesus describes in Matthew 24 is a time of:

 

Deception

War

Famine

Pestilence

Great Tribulation

 

A summary of the first five seals...as I see it.  And after the great tribulation, He describes the sixth seal.

 

Agreed except for the fifth one, which is the persecution and martyrdom of the Christian saints. All five together are the Great Tribulation. The 1st Seal, which is the topic of this string, is:

 

Mt. 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ,' and will deceive many."

 

That is, many leaders will arise, wearing metaphorical white hats, saying "Follow me, I will save you from your enemies." ("I AM the one who will overcome them; see my stephanos?") We are seeing plenty of them already, but I believe that the 1st Seal takes place only after a time of existential world crisis has begun, much greater than anything we see yet.

 

Mere weeks or days before the last two world wars commenced, leaders of nations began mobilizing their armies, calling up reserves, making announcements to their whole nations, etc. I see this as the time prophesied in Daniel 11:44:

 

But news from the east and the north [of the Middle East, according to the context] shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. 

 

Immediately following this, verse 45:

 

...he shall plant the tents of his pavilion between the seas at the glorious holy mountain...

 

which is the Abomination of Desolation; immediately following by 12:1:

 

...And there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation...

 

which is the the Great Tribulation, Matt. 24:21:

 

"For then there will be Great Tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world..."

 

The First Seal.

[Last Daze]

 

There is not a single scripture verse in the NT where white refers to the Antichrist or false religion.

 

 

Here is a passage that I find very appropriate to the situation:

 

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.  Matthew 23:27

[Last Daze]

 

Mt. 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ,' and will deceive many."

 

That is, many leaders will arise, wearing metaphorical white hats, saying "Follow me, I will save you from your enemies." ("I AM the one who will overcome them; see my stephanos?") We are seeing plenty of them already, but I believe that the 1st Seal takes place only after a time of existential world crisis has begun, much greater than anything we see yet.

 

 

I pretty much agree with a slight twist.  Looking at that verse, many come in the name of Christ.  They claim to be Christians.  They don't claim to be Christ (otherwise they would come in their own name) but rather acknowledge that "Jesus is the Christ".

 

Paraphrasing...There will be many who come in the name of Christ and that profess that Jesus is the Christ, but will deceive many.

 

And I agree that we are seeing plenty of this already.

[Last Daze]

Last Daze

 

What Jesus describes in Matthew 24 is a time of:

Deception

War

Famine

Pestilence

Which of those four discriptions are represented by the 4 horses?

Please take into account with what you said concerning the black horse

Notice that there is food here, not famine, not yet (orange part added for clarification) rationing is only effective for so long as demand continues way ahead of supply.

 

 

Hi inchrist,

 

How I see it:

 

1st Seal - deception - beast released from the abyss

2nd Seal - a time of war begins

3rd Seal - food shortages - rationing - leads to famine (world's population largely in cities...dependent on infrastructure...supply of food disrupted...rationing...not enough food...starvation)

4th Seal - war's conclusion - the summation of the deaths from war and all its effects including famine and disease.

 

I've laid out what I think, and why, as have you.  I'm not sure that continuing to go back and forth would be of much benefit at this point.  Both of us seem firm as to how we see it so I'm content at leaving it at that.

[WilliamL]

 

 

Mt. 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ,' and will deceive many."

 

That is, many leaders will arise, wearing metaphorical white hats, saying "Follow me, I will save you from your enemies." ("I AM the one who will overcome them; see my stephanos?") We are seeing plenty of them already, but I believe that the 1st Seal takes place only after a time of existential world crisis has begun, much greater than anything we see yet.

 

 

I pretty much agree with a slight twist.  Looking at that verse, many come in the name of Christ.  They claim to be Christians.  They don't claim to be Christ (otherwise they would come in their own name) but rather acknowledge that "Jesus is the Christ".

 

Paraphrasing...There will be many who come in the name of Christ and that profess that Jesus is the Christ, but will deceive many.

 

And I agree that we are seeing plenty of this already.

I'm sure both views above are true. The word Christ in Greek, in its basic sense, means "anointed one." Now, whether an "anointed one" represents himself as a caliph or a Mahdi or an incarnation of Vishnu, etc., would depend on the religion and culture of the one claiming his anointed authority. The prophecy doesn't necessarily only mean people representing themselves as the Christ Jesus.