GOD AND SUFFERING

[Littlelambseativy]

Not all suffering is from God. We do have free will and the choices we make sometimes end in suffering. God does not swoop in and save us just because we are His. There are consequences to our actions. Are there times when He brings suffering to try us....yes...but it is to draw us back to Him if He sees us looking away. If He loves us just as a parent He will punish or permit suffering ..but in love.

[disciplehelovestoo]

Rom 2:4 KJV

(4)  Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

suf·fer

ˈsəfər/Submit

verb

 

1.

experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant).

"he'd suffered intense pain"

synonyms: hurt, ache, be in pain, feel pain; More

 

2.

dated

tolerate.

"France will no longer suffer the existing government"

synonyms: tolerate, put up with, bear, stand, abide, endure; formalbrook

"he was obliged to suffer her intimate proximity"

 

 

suffering is not good; it is not sweet; suffering is evil, it is bitter - suffering is not a blessing, it is a curse; it is evil.  we must endure the suffering of persecution in order to preach the gospel to the lost, as many will reject it and strive to make us suffer for preaching the gospel to them that convicts them of their evil hearts toward God's goodness - but this suffering is from the devil, not God.  

 

suffering is not a tool that God uses to correct - scripture is that tool; suffering does not cause positive change - the goodness of God causes positive change.  

 

Jas 5:10 KJV

(10)  Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

 

God did not cause His prophets to suffer, their suffering the result of the efforts of evil men yielded to the devil in opposition to God's message delivered by His prophets

 

 

Isa 5:20 KJV

(20)  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

you get what you have effective faith in; if you have faith in suffering, you will suffer - this iis why woe comes to those who call evil good and good evil

 

 

 

[Jerry1023]

Rom 2:4 KJV

(4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

suf·fer

ˈsəfər/Submit

verb

1.

experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant).

"he'd suffered intense pain"

synonyms: hurt, ache, be in pain, feel pain; More

2.

dated

tolerate.

"France will no longer suffer the existing government"

synonyms: tolerate, put up with, bear, stand, abide, endure; formalbrook

"he was obliged to suffer her intimate proximity"

suffering is not good; it is not sweet; suffering is evil, it is bitter - suffering is not a blessing, it is a curse; it is evil. we must endure the suffering of persecution in order to preach the gospel to the lost, as many will reject it and strive to make us suffer for preaching the gospel to them that convicts them of their evil hearts toward God's goodness - but this suffering is from the devil, not God.

suffering is not a tool that God uses to correct - scripture is that tool; suffering does not cause positive change - the goodness of God causes positive change.

Jas 5:10 KJV

(10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

God did not cause His prophets to suffer, their suffering the result of the efforts of evil men yielded to the devil in opposition to God's message delivered by His prophets

Isa 5:20 KJV

(20) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

you get what you have effective faith in; if you have faith in suffering, you will suffer - this iis why woe comes to those who call evil good and good evil

thanks for your contribution,

but what do you make or think of this passage,

Deuteronomy 8:3 &116"

3 And He humbled thee and suffered thee to hunger....

Please take time to study that very passage very well.

[Cyrus]

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It would be helpful to know what kind of suffering you reference.

God requires obedience... God will discipline His children when they rebel.

" You have not yet resisted to blood, striving against sin.

And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to children,

My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of Him:

For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and whips every son whom He receives.

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?

But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. "

Hebrews 12:4-8

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[alisonm328]

Suffering, pain, trials, they're what softens hearts and able to lead a person to the purest form of love.

Suffering is the path to so many beautiful things, one being that suffering is desperate for relief from the pain, after suffering through a lot, that person turns to god because they've already tried everything the world has to offer with no relief. Upon looking to him he fills the suffering heart with the perfect medicine, which establishes in hearts the truth that we need him.

The father truly desires that we suffer, he will allow us to suffer any time we need it. And we need it a lot!

It's wise to see joy in trials because trials bring forth good in us. Sometimes a trial is God disciplining us, he only disciplines his children! A big reason to smile there!

He doesn't discipline for nothing, he does it in order to develop our character.

Hopefully that answers your question ( :

[alisonm328]

I better add this: not ALL suffering is from God. Obviously. Some trials will be of our own cause and some from Satan. To figure out where your trial is from you question it and see if it aligns with God's truth. But yes it seems God did allow you to suffer, maybe for testing your faith and seeing if it held up or if it needed more work done. You passed, I believe God made that clear to you! Blessings will be coming your way most definitely!! So inspiring, I hope to faith like yours one day!

[Fez]

Here is something controversial I have been mediating on of late. And please understand I have not come to a full conclusion yet. It might sound very harsh (we sugar coat so much stuff nowadays, but within the statement I think there is some truth..)

 

God does not care if we die.

 

God cares if we are saved.

[ayin jade]

Here is something controversial I have been mediating on of late. And please understand I have not come to a full conclusion yet. It might sound very harsh (we sugar coat so much stuff nowadays, but within the statement I think there is some truth..)

 

God does not care if we die.

 

God cares if we are saved.

 

 

I can see that fez. But in a way I do think its wrong. He cares enough to stop some of us from dying but I think it is because we still have a purpose here to fulfill. Our brief time here on earth is separation from Him, so in that way I can see how He wouldnt care if we die. For then we are with Him. Those who are saved through faith in Jesus that is.

[missmuffet]

Yes,God does test us.And there are consequences to our actions Psalm 26:2;Psalm 139:23.

God will not test us beyond what we can handle 1 Corinthians 10:13

[missmuffet]

Here is something controversial I have been mediating on of late. And please understand I have not come to a full conclusion yet. It might sound very harsh (we sugar coat so much stuff nowadays, but within the statement I think there is some truth..)

 

God does not care if we die.

 

God cares if we are saved.

Why do you think that God does not care if we die?Do you have Scripture to support that Fez or why you feel as you do on this?