Asking for help from those who don't believe the blood moons mean

[Keith]

What we need to see before the 2nd Coming and Rapture is the Abomination of Desolation. (Pre-tribbers disagree all you like.) That will be the public event that tells us the time is near.

 

IMHO, that event takes place when the King of the North --  after invading from the north, therefore through Syria and/or Lebanon, occupying Israel, and subduing Egypt and North Africa (Dan. 11:40-44) -- "plants the tents of his pavilion between [the Mediterranean and Dead] seas at the glorious holy mountain [Mt. Moriah/the Temple Mount]." Dan. 11:45 That event will be the AD, IMHO.

 

Daniel 12:1 then goes on to say, "At that time...there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation..." -- which is the Great Tribulation. Followed by, 12:2, "many who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" -- this being the resurrection of the dead, just prior to the Rapture.

 

Now, with all the trouble being caused by ISIS, border crossfires between Israel and Hezbollah of Lebanon, and general instability in Egypt, Libya, Iraq, etc., it does seem like we are near the time when these things could quickly come to pass. So, Keith, add all this to your list of co-incidences of events now seemingly centered around the 4 blood moons.

 

People's eschatologies could be tested very soon; or not. But we sure won't have long to find out!

WilliamL,  I'd like to humbly ask that you be a bit more respectful.  I'm referencing the part of your comment I put in bold. 

 

1.  I specifically asked in my OP that this thread NOT be turned into a rapture debate.

2.  It's a non-salvation issue and there is liberty in the Lord.

3.  Statements like that are combative and divisive among the brethren, wholly against scripture.  Not to mention a stumbling block to those who are new or weak in the faith.  It's also not a good witness to those who are still seeking, or guests who do read our words.  Let's be careful in choosing our words.  That way, when we use, "IMHO," we will be showing our humility.

 

Indeed, everyone's eschatologies will be tested.  There isn't anyone who has perfectly correct eschatological doctrines.  Not even the wisest among us.  I personally believe God designed it that way, leaving it a bit ambiguous in the scriptures - to test the love and unity of His children.  That is more important than the blood moons, or even the rapture itself because it concerns our love, attitude and motives with one another - which affects us for eternity.  The rapture is simply a mode of transportation.  It's our hope, yes.  We look forward to it.  But it's over in a moment.  The affects of our words and attitudes lasts forever.

[Watching for Jesus]

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Edited July 28, 2016 by Watching for Jesus

[MorningGlory]

 

 

How can this be the seventh Shemitah since the resurrection?   Shemitah comes every seventh year. 

 

I just reread that and, sure enough, that's only 49 years so either 1. it's a typo or 2. we're still living in the 1st century.

 

 

Yikes!  That was a bad typo, I meant the 7th since Jerusalem was re-established by the Jews.  My apologies, that is what happens when one gets in a hurry.

 

 

 

 

How can this be the seventh Shemitah since the resurrection?   Shemitah comes every seventh year. 

 

I just reread that and, sure enough, that's only 49 years so either 1. it's a typo or 2. we're still living in the 1st century.

 

 

Yikes!  That was a bad typo, I meant the 7th since Jerusalem was re-established by the Jews.  My apologies, that is what happens when one gets in a hurry.

 

 

We all do it from time to time, S.S.  When I get in a hurry I usually trip or break something so a typo is relatively mild!

[wingnut-]

 

We all do it from time to time, S.S.  When I get in a hurry I usually trip or break something so a typo is relatively mild!

 

 

Well I am grateful to you and Shiloh for catching that one, the last thing I want to do is give false information.  God bless you.

[Dave Watchman]

 

^{Call me skeptical but I don't recall ever hearing one word about tetrads, four blood moons or the Shemitah before The Harbinger came out a year or so ago.  Am I mistaken in this?}

 

 

I believe the prophecies of God are progressive.  Scripture is full of examples where God revealed prophecies as the time for them to occur came near. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree and have heard it also said like this:

 

"On or about the time of fulfillment God makes sure that honest hearted people searching out his ways will understand what He is about to do"

 

I've studied and prayed about the "Blood Moon Prophecy" for about 7 months and then in the third week of July 2013 I found what I think they're about. That evening I was filled with such a sense of dread that I didn't get to sleep until 4:22 AM. Since that time I go to sleep and then wake up thinking about them all day long. I've made 44 different bar graphs and 16 annotated pictures to manifest the data to the eye. Time will soon have a cure for my problem.

 

But, like you, I'm not here to convince anyone else. I'm here by the rare chance that there are folks who also have found what I've found and are seeking out confirmation. I did find the videos you posted and also looked at two others that were interview style. One was the Rabbi's view on Daniel 7 and The Antichrist. I started getting worked up at some point during one of his videos when he was waving his hands around. "Then 7 years latter this happened and 7 years latter that happened and 7 years latter this happened and 7 years latter", it got to the point where I had to turn the guy off. Try to be careful with some of this stuff, it might give us a stroke and then we'll miss the whole Parousia.

 

My views are different, everything is connected, I don't think we can be too far from the truth on some important issues and then be right on other crucial ones. I know that some people are afraid so they will seem to immediately debunk the tetrads rather than gather the courage to look into the topic for themselves. Two times I've responded to people that were worried about the blood moons and was picked best answer each time.

 

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140122055020AAOpKVV

 

https://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140211084209AA1JEtF

 

 

 

Remember:

 

    “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened"

 

And:

 

“To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.  For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away"

 

I wouldn't exactly want be be the wicked and slothful servant who hid His Master's talent in the ground or under a lampshade. It just looks to me like Daniel 9 comes first, then Daniel 12 and then the blood moons can direct you to the connection.

 

Like a litmus test FOR doctrine the tetrads can seem to confirm the definition of "the Great and Terrible Day of The Lord" and the correct duration for "the Appointed Time of The End".

[Keith]

Hi Keith.

 

I guess my post was a little vague.

 

I do not believe the tetrads are a warning to Israel, I believe they are just signs from God of the three major events that I mentioned in my first post; the re-birth of Israel around the first tetrad; the recapturing of Jeruslaem at the second tetrad and the covenant to be signed just after the third tetrad.

 

Genesis 1:14.  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

Jeff

Thanks for clarifying, Jeff.     What I'm hoping to get from this thread is the evidence/proof/scriptures for why people who don't think there's anything to this.  I'd like to know if people can show me how the information given in the video I named is wrong.  In essence, I'm trying to sort between people's own thoughts, feelings and opinions and deal with facts.  I don't want to base anything I believe on emotion or personal feelings.  That's why I took so long to study, fast and pray about this.  I'm wondering if anyone else who might have, and came up with the opposite conclusion, could share their findings.

[Guest shiloh357]

As far as the scriptures are concerned, the only blood moon mentioned occurs simultaneously with the sun turning to the color of sackcloth.   That's not what we're seeing in the tetrads. These are simply lunar eclipses.  The blood moon in Scripture will not be an eclipse.   You cannot darken the moon and sun at the same time in an eclipse.  The only explanation will be that it is supernatural. 

 

The fact that these tetrad eclipses have occurred many, many times and there was no Jewish feast day, Israel was not at war with anyone there was no significant event that occurred simultaneously, means that you cannot really assign anything to them prophetically  when they coincidentally fall on Jewish festival season.   Eclipses are natural events that happen. 

[MorningGlory]

 

 

We all do it from time to time, S.S.  When I get in a hurry I usually trip or break something so a typo is relatively mild!

 

 

Well I am grateful to you and Shiloh for catching that one, the last thing I want to do is give false information.  God bless you.

 

 

[Keith]

As far as the scriptures are concerned, the only blood moon mentioned occurs simultaneously with the sun turning to the color of sackcloth.   That's not what we're seeing in the tetrads. These are simply lunar eclipses.  The blood moon in Scripture will not be an eclipse.   You cannot darken the moon and sun at the same time in an eclipse.  The only explanation will be that it is supernatural. 

 

The fact that these tetrad eclipses have occurred many, many times and there was no Jewish feast day, Israel was not at war with anyone there was no significant event that occurred simultaneously, means that you cannot really assign anything to them prophetically  when they coincidentally fall on Jewish festival season.   Eclipses are natural events that happen. 

Yes, blood moons and darkening suns are all eclipses.  There’s so much that goes into this study.  I understand it well enough to understand it, but not well enough to teach it well.  If anyone is interested, I can certainly send folks links to concise video teachings on it.   

The Shemitah is key to how this has all has a role in the end times.  The Shemitah is a cycle of sevens and God uses sevens a lot in His timelines, including seven years of tribulation.   

The blood moons in themselves are interesting to watch as warnings, but when they happen at the time of the Shemitah, and the appointed times, and see what’s happened at those times, most especially in recent history, it’s too coincidental for me to pass off.  As time has passed, the “coincidences” happen just like signs of the times - with more frequency and intensity.  If others consider it coincidental, I respect that.  There are no specific scriptures that say, “At such and such time, the moon will turn to blood and I will do this and that.”  

But, I also must consider that the scriptures also say that the sun, moon and stars are used by God as signs.  It also says at “appointed times.”  One of the things I got from this during my prayer time is that scripture says that when we see these signs AT THE APPOINTED TIMES, then there’s something to pay attention to there.  It doesn’t say that it will happen ONLY, or at EVERY appointed time.  But, when they do...

Regarding the darkening of the sun, that has played a role with the blood moons in the Shemitah cycle, actually.  It’s just often over-looked.  

At the beginning of this current Shemitah cycle, there was a partial collar eclipse on October, 2014. 

 

In 2015, there are going to be two solar eclipses and both are linked to the Shemitah.

The first one occurs on March 20, 2015 - this happens on the EXACT middle day of this Shemitah cycle.

The second one is even more dramatic because it happens on the EXACT last day of this Shemitah cycle - September 13, 2015 (Elul 29).  This is the “wipe-out,” or “nullification,” day of the Shemitah.  (And I haven’t even talked about what this means.  That’s another thread.  Or folks who are interested can send me a PM.)  

Looking back, the sun was darkened in the autumn (meaningful) on Elul 29 in 1987, and ushered in Black Monday.  (The stock market’s greatest percentage crash in American history.)

It happened in the Great Depression, at the end of Elul/beginning of Tishri, and that ushered in the greatest month collapse in Wall Street history.  

The list of significant historical and financial events is too numerous in regards to how the Shemitah and the blood moons foreshadow them.  I could show them by date.  If interested, I can show generally what we can expect this Shemitah year, per past events, if God should choose to continue to work in this pattern.  He doesn't have to but, because He's sovereign, He could. 

But again, I’m only trying to answer doubts or objections, not convince.  If anyone can debunk, disprove or invalidate the information given in the video I listed, I truly do want to hear it and will study and pray over it seriously.

One other video I recommend, that’s pretty concise and I refer to it a lot, is on YouTube and is called Jonathan Cahn speaks prophetically on the 2014 2015 shemitah - November 2014.  Much of the information I give here comes from this man anyway, a proven expert in this area of study.

[Ezra]

All I ask is that you state your opinions, thoughts, feelings, and studies with references and evidence. 

This is just another one of those date-setting fads trying to pin down the Second Coming of Christ.  This is another attempt to reap profits by sensationalizing Bible prophecy and set dates (which is forbidden). We should disregard all this talk about "blood moons" and Shemitahs, and here's the reason why:

 

1. All the cosmic disturbances and cataclysmic events described in the Olivet Discourse and in Revelation occur IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation (Mt 24:29; Mk 13:24,25).  Also, the moon being turned to "blood" is described as the moon being "darkened" ("the moon shall not give her light" Mt 24:29; Mk 13:24) so we really don't know exactly what the appearance of the moon will be.

 

2. The Great Tribulation is in the second half of Daniel's 70th week (7 years), AFTER the Abomination of Desolation is set up (Mt 24:15-22).

 

3. The Abomination of Desolation is set up by the Antichrist (the Beast or the Man of Sin), who cannot take control of this earth along with Satan until AFTER the Holy Spirit removes His restraint (holding down) of Satan (2 Thess 2:6,7) and is "taken out of the way" (along with the Church).

 

4. The Holy Spirit was sent down to gather in all believers (both Jew and Gentile) into the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13), and this will continue UNTIL "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom 11:25).  Since we are still in the day of grace, and God is still saving souls, the building of the Church is still incomplete.

 

5. Once the Church is complete it will be "caught up" to Heaven and removed from this earth BEFORE  the Antichrist is revealed (1 Thess 4:13- 5:11; 2 Thess 2: 1-12).  When the Antichrist is revealed God will send "strong delusion" upon the ungodly so that they will believe the lies of Satan and be damned.  This can only happen after the day of grace is over.

 

6.  The Second Coming of Christ will coincide with the end of Daniel's 70th week when Satan gathers all the armies of the world against Jerusalem for the battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:13-16), when all Christ's enemies are destroyed.  Those cosmic disturbances will occur just before the return of Christ (Mt 24:30,31).

Edited February 13, 2015 by Ezra