the bride of Christ

[gdemoss]

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

[gdemoss]

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

[gdemoss]

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

[gdemoss]

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

[Guest Butero]

 

 

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

 

I know you answered me 5 times with the same reply, but I hope you don't mind if I only reply once.  I never heard of one man marrying a church either, so how is marrying steel any more absurd?  In Japan, there are people marrying robot women, so I suppose you can theoretically make an argument for anything. 

 

I am a member of the body of Christ.  There are comparisons to being married to Christ, and there are comparisons to being a friend of Christ, the bride groom.  It is all symbolic, so in one comparison, I might be as married to Christ, and in another, being a friend of Christ and so forth, but not in the literal sense.  Did you literally sell all you have and purchase a pearl?  Is Jesus a literal pearl, or is he God?  The Bible is full of symbolism.  Revelation states that the bride of Christ is the city New Jerusalem, and I choose to believe the Bible over you, and over Ezra for that matter. 

[gdemoss]

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

I know you answered me 5 times with the same reply, but I hope you don't mind if I only reply once. I never heard of one man marrying a church either, so how is marrying steel any more absurd? In Japan, there are people marrying robot women, so I suppose you can theoretically make an argument for anything.

I am a member of the body of Christ. There are comparisons to being married to Christ, and there are comparisons to being a friend of Christ, the bride groom. It is all symbolic, so in one comparison, I might be as married to Christ, and in another, being a friend of Christ and so forth, but not in the literal sense. Did you literally sell all you have and purchase a pearl? Is Jesus a literal pearl, or is he God? The Bible is full of symbolism. Revelation states that the bride of Christ is the city New Jerusalem, and I choose to believe the Bible over you, and over Ezra for that matter.

You are hillaruous! Fun to listen too. Have a great day friend. Be well.

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

 

If married means joined unto then how can the body not be marrried to the head...semantics...perspective...frame of reference.

This whole thread as many others on Worthy is filled with dancing. Tango, tango tango on...I love to dance.

Is God my husband? Hus + Band from 'house'+'band' etymology...if the Lord is not the builder then they build in vain. Who is keeping your house banded together? Are we not husbandmen of Gods house?

Anything just to be right, right? OMG where is the ministry? Who will be a mini-star as he is the bright and morning star?

I thank God to be part of the bride at the bridal party waiting to ride that horse into the Son set....

Well OK..

Does that mean your head is married to your body? If so, do you have a human wife or ever hope to? If so, you are in trouble, because you would be in a state of polygamy since you already have a wife, your body. Talk about anything to be right? No, the church is not the bride of Christ. New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, as the scriptures clearly states in Revelation.

Words mean something. People do violence to words by defining them past the point to which definitions are intended. Ever heard of marrying steel? Are you married to Christ or no?

I know you answered me 5 times with the same reply, but I hope you don't mind if I only reply once. I never heard of one man marrying a church either, so how is marrying steel any more absurd? In Japan, there are people marrying robot women, so I suppose you can theoretically make an argument for anything.

I am a member of the body of Christ. There are comparisons to being married to Christ, and there are comparisons to being a friend of Christ, the bride groom. It is all symbolic, so in one comparison, I might be as married to Christ, and in another, being a friend of Christ and so forth, but not in the literal sense. Did you literally sell all you have and purchase a pearl? Is Jesus a literal pearl, or is he God? The Bible is full of symbolism. Revelation states that the bride of Christ is the city New Jerusalem, and I choose to believe the Bible over you, and over Ezra for that matter.

You are hillaruous! Fun to listen too. Have a great day friend. Be well.

 

Thank you.  You have a good day too.  Be well and prosper. 

[Ezra]

You cannot provide any scripture that actually states the church is the bride of Christ. 

 

I did, but you, and several others of your persuasion, simply ignored the Scriptures as well as my comments.  So first of all let's be very clear.  No bride remains a bride for ever.  She ultimately becomes the wife of the bridgegroom, who then becomes her husband.  So note carefully, digest, and meditate on these Scriptures:

 

Revelation 19:7,8

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

⁸ And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

 

Who can this wife be other than all the saints in Heaven (the Church), and who can the Lamb be other than the Lord Jesus Christ?  The "saints" are specifically mentioned, and God clothes every believer with the righteousness of Christ (which is the fine linen, clean and white) which the Wife of the Lamb wears.  This is all spiritual, not carnal.  It is at this point that the Bride is no longer the Bride, BUT BECOMES THE WIFE. All the saints have been perfected and glorified at the Rapture, thus fulfilling this Scripture (Eph 5:27): "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Presenting to Himself speaks of the Bride being presented to the Bridegroom at the Marriage itself (just as we see in human marriages).  And this is your Scripture which specifically mentions the Church.  Study Eph 5.

 

Revelation 21:9,10

⁹ And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

¹⁰ And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

What do we see in this passage? (1) the Bride is no longer the Bride, but "the Lamb's Wife" and (2) the dwelling place of the Wife is personified, since Christ has built mansions in this heavenly city for each and every believer (Jn 14:1-3), and that heavenly city is inextricably linked to the Church (all redeemed souls).

 

Christ does not marry heavenly bricks and mortar (absurd and bizarre notion), and because all of this is spiritual and eternal, the Body of Christ is also the Wife of the Lamb without any confusion. ALL OF THIS SPEAKS OF THE INTIMATE UNION OF CHRIST WITH HIS CHURCH.  To attempt to fit this into a carnal and wordly union where the Body cannot also be the Bride is to miss the whole point.  This is all supernatural and divine, and frankly beyond human comprehension.

 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

[Guest Butero]

 

You cannot provide any scripture that actually states the church is the bride of Christ. 

 

I did, but you, and several others of your persuasion, simply ignored the Scriptures as well as my comments.  So first of all let's be very clear.  No bride remains a bride for ever.  She ultimately becomes the wife of the bridgegroom, who then becomes her husband.  So note carefully, digest, and meditate on these Scriptures:

 

Revelation 19:7,8

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

⁸ And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

 

Who can this wife be other than all the saints in Heaven (the Church), and who can the Lamb be other than the Lord Jesus Christ?  The "saints" are specifically mentioned, and God clothes every believer with the righteousness of Christ (which is the fine linen, clean and white) which the Wife of the Lamb wears.  This is all spiritual, not carnal.  It is at this point that the Bride is no longer the Bride, BUT BECOMES THE WIFE. All the saints have been perfected and glorified at the Rapture, thus fulfilling this Scripture (Eph 5:27): "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Presenting to Himself speaks of the Bride being presented to the Bridegroom at the Marriage itself (just as we see in human marriages).  And this is your Scripture which specifically mentions the Church.  Study Eph 5.

 

Revelation 21:9,10

⁹ And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

¹⁰ And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

What do we see in this passage? (1) the Bride is no longer the Bride, but "the Lamb's Wife" and (2) the dwelling place of the Wife is personified, since Christ has built mansions in this heavenly city for each and every believer (Jn 14:1-3), and that heavenly city is inextricably linked to the Church (all redeemed souls).

 

Christ does not marry heavenly bricks and mortar (absurd and bizarre notion), and because all of this is spiritual and eternal, the Body of Christ is also the Wife of the Lamb without any confusion. ALL OF THIS SPEAKS OF THE INTIMATE UNION OF CHRIST WITH HIS CHURCH.  To attempt to fit this into a carnal and wordly union where the Body cannot also be the Bride is to miss the whole point.  This is all supernatural and divine, and frankly beyond human comprehension.

 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

The scriptures you posted never say that the bride that made herself ready is the church.  You are making that claim, but it never actually says that, but it does state the city New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ.  But there are some interesting things to consider if the bride is the church.  It states that his wife made herself ready.  Does that mean that we are able to save ourselves and make ourselves righteous, because that is what the Lamb's wife did?  Where does the righteousness of the saints come from?  Does it come through the blood of Jesus, or through our own efforts aside from the blood of Jesus?  If it is your position that we make ourselves ready and are righteous by our own efforts, I am willing to discuss this further, but you still have the problem that the Bible still doesn't say that the wife is the church.  You didn't give me any scripture that states that is so, but I gave you scripture that states that heavenly bricks and morter called the city New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ.  All of this is symbolism. 

 

The Bible states that Jesus is a door in one scripture.  He is a lamb in another scripture.  He is our head in another scripture.  He is a pearl in one place.  We are his body in one place.  We are lambs following Jesus, our shepherd in another scripture.  In other words, no matter how many times you claim we are the bride of Christ, I can give you examples where we are shown in positions that would make it impossible for us to be the bride of Christ.  You want to ignore all the other comparisons in scripture and focus only on one, and you claim that proves your point.  The scripture you used doesn't say the church is the bride.  So, once again I repeat, you didn't give me any scripture to back up your positions, but I did give scripture that backs up my position.  I am more than willing to hear what the spirit is saying to the churches, but he didn't say what you claim he did.  Be my guest trying to prove me wrong.  You already know the road I am going to take us down, showing all the different things Christ and the church are compared to.  Show me why I am to ignore all of that and accept your scripture that doesn't even call us the bride? 

[Willa]

Jesus' relationship to the Church is as Savior, King, The head of the Body.   His relationship to individual believer is that of joint firstborn brother.

 

 

There is not ONE Scripture that says the Church is the Bride of Christ.   The fact that Ezra has to string unrelated verses together like lights on a Christmas tree proves that it is not a biblical position.  It is one that has been stated as true for so long, that we have just accepted it.   But when you fact check the claim that we are the Bride of Christ, there is not one verse that actually makes that claim.

 

Nowhere does the "Bride" notion indicate a mystery  It is never associated with "mystery" in the New Testament.

 

Marriage is a covenant relationship and God has never made a covenant with the Church.   God has only made covenant with Israel and the Church is not Israel.

My understanding is that the new covenant, the covenant of grace, is made with the church. Eph 2:11-3:7 shows the equality of believing Jews and gentiles in Christ. Gentiles do not inherit the land. But in all other respects we seem to be equal. Eph 3:6 that the gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body, and partakers of the promise of Christ through the Gospel,. And being in Christ enables us to inherit all He inherits. Eph 1-2:7 I don't believe that we are the new Jeruselem. I do believe we will be included as a part of it. An example might be the pearls that compose the gates. Pearls are an unclean gem of the gentiles. Rev. 21:21 Since we also have our names written in the Lamb's Book of Life, we shall be a part of it. For we shall ever be with the Lord. Indeed, we are IN Him, and He in us.

There is no call for an elitist attitude among Jewish believers and even less of an excuse for gentiles. Christ has broken down the division. Romans 11:32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. We also are children of the promises to Abraham. By faith, and by the promise of "in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Zec 2:11, Ga 3:14, Eph 5:3-6 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all, and in you all. Nkjv.