why do you try to avoid sin? -- a discussion

[Fez]

My reason is quite simply Jesus.

 

And the reason that we are punished by our sins.

 

Not for them.......

[Cog]

Im interested in your reasons. Why do you try to live a Christian life, to avoid sin? What is your motivation?

 

 

I got daddy issues, basically. I feel lost, bewildered, without him. And I feel that, if I can be good, he will let me back in; so I try to be blameless.

That and of course all the negative feelings I have when being bad, and all the good feelings I have when I think I have done good. I mean, there's a lot of emotional stuff, but, for the most part, I just want to be with Father.

[gdemoss]

My reason is quite simply Jesus.

And the reason that we are punished by our sins.

Not for them.......

Very nicely put. Punished by our sins not for them.

[Guest Butero]

Out of obedience to Christ's teachings. 

 

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide I his love.  John 15:10

 

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I commanded you.  John 15:14

 

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:  but the Son abideth ever.  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.  John 8:34-36

 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

...My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him.  for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards, and not sons.  Hebrews 12:5b-8 

 

The word chastening in that passage means disciplinary correction.  God punishes us for our sins, just as a parent punishes his child when he or she disobeys.  I understand that sin can bring bad things upon us in the natural as well.  Cheating can break up a marriage.  Fornication can lead to STDs.  Stealing can lead to jail.  I get that, but God himself will punish his children when they sin. 

 

@ Cog, you should try to live right, as God would have you to do so, but you cannot be saved simply by choosing to abstain from sin.  If you are still feeling lost, and you are still feeling condemned because of your past sins, here is what you need to do.  Go find a quiet place to pray.  Confess your sins to Jesus.  Tell him how you are feeling lost, and how you sincerely desire to be saved and have a relationship with him.  Ask him to come into your heart and save your soul, and promise to live for him from this day forward.  Then just do your best, and if you mess up from time to time, confess those sins.  Don't carry them around with you, but confess them when they come to your attention, and allow Jesus' blood to wash you clean. 

 

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  1 John 1:8,9

 

We have all messed up at times in our lives Cog.  You are definitely not alone.  At the same time, the question is why do we try not to sin?  To me, it is about simple obedience to Christ.  It is also about not doing things to create a new wall of separation between myself and God.  That wall was torn down when I accepted Christ, and all of my past sins were washed away.  At that time, I was granted access to the throne of God, as I was made clean in his sight.  Why would I want to commit new sins, and add new stains to my clean garments? 

 

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law:  for sin is the transgression of the law.  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  Whosoever abideth in him sinnneth not:  whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  Little children, let no man deceive you:  he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.  For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:  and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:  whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  1 John 3:3-10

 

If I obey Christ and abstain from sin, he tells me I am his friend.  If I keep his commandments, I abide in his love.  If I don't keep his commandments, I am a servant of sin, and a servant doesn't abide in the house forever.  If I sin, I haven't seen Christ or known him.  If I sin, I am of the devil.  I don't want to be of the devil.  It comes down to obedience. 

 

 

 

 

[Fez]

Out of obedience to Christ's teachings. 

 

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide I his love.  John 15:10

 

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I commanded you.  John 15:14

 

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:  but the Son abideth ever.  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.  John 8:34-36

 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

...My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him.  for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards, and not sons.  Hebrews 12:5b-8 

 

The word chastening in that passage means disciplinary correction.  God punishes us for our sins, just as a parent punishes his child when he or she disobeys.  I understand that sin can bring bad things upon us in the natural as well.  Cheating can break up a marriage.  Fornication can lead to STDs.  Stealing can lead to jail.  I get that, but God himself will punish his children when they sin. 

 

@ Cog, you should try to live right, as God would have you to do so, but you cannot be saved simply by choosing to abstain from sin.  If you are still feeling lost, and you are still feeling condemned because of your past sins, here is what you need to do.  Go find a quiet place to pray.  Confess your sins to Jesus.  Tell him how you are feeling lost, and how you sincerely desire to be saved and have a relationship with him.  Ask him to come into your heart and save your soul, and promise to live for him from this day forward.  Then just do your best, and if you mess up from time to time, confess those sins.  Don't carry them around with you, but confess them when they come to your attention, and allow Jesus' blood to wash you clean. 

 

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  1 John 1:8,9

 

We have all messed up at times in our lives Cog.  You are definitely not alone.  At the same time, the question is why do we try not to sin?  To me, it is about simple obedience to Christ.  It is also about not doing things to create a new wall of separation between myself and God.  That wall was torn down when I accepted Christ, and all of my past sins were washed away.  At that time, I was granted access to the throne of God, as I was made clean in his sight.  Why would I want to commit new sins, and add new stains to my clean garments? 

 

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law:  for sin is the transgression of the law.  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  Whosoever abideth in him sinnneth not:  whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  Little children, let no man deceive you:  he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.  For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:  and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:  whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  1 John 3:3-10

 

If I obey Christ and abstain from sin, he tells me I am his friend.  If I keep his commandments, I abide in his love.  If I don't keep his commandments, I am a servant of sin, and a servant doesn't abide in the house forever.  If I sin, I haven't seen Christ or known him.  If I sin, I am of the devil.  I don't want to be of the devil.  It comes down to obedience. 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

Then why did Jesus die for us?

[Guest Butero]

 

Out of obedience to Christ's teachings. 

 

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide I his love.  John 15:10

 

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I commanded you.  John 15:14

 

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:  but the Son abideth ever.  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.  John 8:34-36

 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

...My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him.  for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards, and not sons.  Hebrews 12:5b-8 

 

The word chastening in that passage means disciplinary correction.  God punishes us for our sins, just as a parent punishes his child when he or she disobeys.  I understand that sin can bring bad things upon us in the natural as well.  Cheating can break up a marriage.  Fornication can lead to STDs.  Stealing can lead to jail.  I get that, but God himself will punish his children when they sin. 

 

@ Cog, you should try to live right, as God would have you to do so, but you cannot be saved simply by choosing to abstain from sin.  If you are still feeling lost, and you are still feeling condemned because of your past sins, here is what you need to do.  Go find a quiet place to pray.  Confess your sins to Jesus.  Tell him how you are feeling lost, and how you sincerely desire to be saved and have a relationship with him.  Ask him to come into your heart and save your soul, and promise to live for him from this day forward.  Then just do your best, and if you mess up from time to time, confess those sins.  Don't carry them around with you, but confess them when they come to your attention, and allow Jesus' blood to wash you clean. 

 

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  1 John 1:8,9

 

We have all messed up at times in our lives Cog.  You are definitely not alone.  At the same time, the question is why do we try not to sin?  To me, it is about simple obedience to Christ.  It is also about not doing things to create a new wall of separation between myself and God.  That wall was torn down when I accepted Christ, and all of my past sins were washed away.  At that time, I was granted access to the throne of God, as I was made clean in his sight.  Why would I want to commit new sins, and add new stains to my clean garments? 

 

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law:  for sin is the transgression of the law.  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  Whosoever abideth in him sinnneth not:  whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  Little children, let no man deceive you:  he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.  For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:  and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:  whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  1 John 3:3-10

 

If I obey Christ and abstain from sin, he tells me I am his friend.  If I keep his commandments, I abide in his love.  If I don't keep his commandments, I am a servant of sin, and a servant doesn't abide in the house forever.  If I sin, I haven't seen Christ or known him.  If I sin, I am of the devil.  I don't want to be of the devil.  It comes down to obedience. 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

Then why did Jesus die for us?

 

I gave you scripture that proves that we are chastised (punished) for our sins.  You just made a statement of fact with nothing to back it up.  Do I really have to explain the plan of salvation to you?  When Adam sinned by eating of the forbidden fruit, it created a separation between man and God.  There had to be a method of restoring us to right relations with the Father, so he sent his Son Jesus to pay the penalty for our sins.  The wages of sin is death, so Jesus died for our sins, not his own,  When we accept him as our Lord and Savior, his death pays the penalty for our past sins.  It doesn't guarantee that we will never suffer consequences for future sins.  As a matter of fact, scripture says just the opposite.  It states that God chastises disobedient children.  Are you going to deny the scriptures? 

[ayin jade]

 

Im interested in your reasons. Why do you try to live a Christian life, to avoid sin? What is your motivation?

 

 

I got daddy issues, basically. I feel lost, bewildered, without him. And I feel that, if I can be good, he will let me back in; so I try to be blameless.

That and of course all the negative feelings I have when being bad, and all the good feelings I have when I think I have done good. I mean, there's a lot of emotional stuff, but, for the most part, I just want to be with Father.

 

 

The only way to be with the Father is through Jesus. Not through doing good works. You need to believe in Jesus. 

[Littlelambseativy]

Because disappointing someone who loves me so very much that He would take on Him my sin..... a suffering and love I can not imagine or understand yet am so humbled by, and knowing that even though I may yet disappoint Him.....He will still love me because I am His forever bought and paid for with a price beyond my comprehension and when I see His face He will smile at me and call me, His child, by name. A love that amazing deserves the best I can give to Him.... 

[Ezra]

Because disappointing someone who loves me so very much that He would take on Him my sin..... a suffering and love I can not imagine or understand yet am so humbled by, and knowing that even though I may yet disappoint Him.....He will still love me because I am His forever bought and paid for with a price beyond my comprehension and when I see His face He will smile at me and call me, His child, by name. A love that amazing deserves the best I can give to Him.... 

Excellent response, and I fully concur.

[Fez]

 

 

Out of obedience to Christ's teachings. 

 

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide I his love.  John 15:10

 

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I commanded you.  John 15:14

 

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:  but the Son abideth ever.  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.  John 8:34-36

 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

...My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him.  for whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are bastards, and not sons.  Hebrews 12:5b-8 

 

The word chastening in that passage means disciplinary correction.  God punishes us for our sins, just as a parent punishes his child when he or she disobeys.  I understand that sin can bring bad things upon us in the natural as well.  Cheating can break up a marriage.  Fornication can lead to STDs.  Stealing can lead to jail.  I get that, but God himself will punish his children when they sin. 

 

@ Cog, you should try to live right, as God would have you to do so, but you cannot be saved simply by choosing to abstain from sin.  If you are still feeling lost, and you are still feeling condemned because of your past sins, here is what you need to do.  Go find a quiet place to pray.  Confess your sins to Jesus.  Tell him how you are feeling lost, and how you sincerely desire to be saved and have a relationship with him.  Ask him to come into your heart and save your soul, and promise to live for him from this day forward.  Then just do your best, and if you mess up from time to time, confess those sins.  Don't carry them around with you, but confess them when they come to your attention, and allow Jesus' blood to wash you clean. 

 

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  1 John 1:8,9

 

We have all messed up at times in our lives Cog.  You are definitely not alone.  At the same time, the question is why do we try not to sin?  To me, it is about simple obedience to Christ.  It is also about not doing things to create a new wall of separation between myself and God.  That wall was torn down when I accepted Christ, and all of my past sins were washed away.  At that time, I was granted access to the throne of God, as I was made clean in his sight.  Why would I want to commit new sins, and add new stains to my clean garments? 

 

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.  Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law:  for sin is the transgression of the law.  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.  Whosoever abideth in him sinnneth not:  whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.  Little children, let no man deceive you:  he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.  For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:  and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.  In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:  whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.  1 John 3:3-10

 

If I obey Christ and abstain from sin, he tells me I am his friend.  If I keep his commandments, I abide in his love.  If I don't keep his commandments, I am a servant of sin, and a servant doesn't abide in the house forever.  If I sin, I haven't seen Christ or known him.  If I sin, I am of the devil.  I don't want to be of the devil.  It comes down to obedience. 

By the way, in addition to being punished by our sins, we are also punished for our sins. 

 

Then why did Jesus die for us?

 

I gave you scripture that proves that we are chastised (punished) for our sins.  You just made a statement of fact with nothing to back it up.  Do I really have to explain the plan of salvation to you?  When Adam sinned by eating of the forbidden fruit, it created a separation between man and God.  There had to be a method of restoring us to right relations with the Father, so he sent his Son Jesus to pay the penalty for our sins.  The wages of sin is death, so Jesus died for our sins, not his own,  When we accept him as our Lord and Savior, his death pays the penalty for our past sins.  It doesn't guarantee that we will never suffer consequences for future sins.  As a matter of fact, scripture says just the opposite.  It states that God chastises disobedient children.  Are you going to deny the scriptures? 

 

Are we forgiven for our sins still to be committed? Or presently being committed?