Revelation 10 - the Q'uran?

[Last Daze]

It is false doctrine because it touches on the nature and person of Christ.    While prophecy itself is pretty much speculative in many areas, the person of Christ is part of established doctrine and Jesus is never presented in the Bible as an angel.

 

I seriously doubt that Marilyn is equating Christ with a created spirit being.  Did you bother to ask her?

[Kan]

 

This is not saying that God or Jesus is a created angel

 

I think this is where the rub is.  By using the term "angel" people automatically associate that with a created spirit being which is largely true but not exclusively so.  An angel is a messenger.  Deity has been known to have been referenced as an angel before.  Granted, most of God's messages are sent via created spirit beings but that does not preclude a message from coming directly from God.  The description of this messenger in Rev 10 lends itself to being a divine messenger (angel). 

 

 

Thank you, that's what some of us have been saying.

[Kan]

In the last few verses of the OT,

the long saga between Israel and God ends with the promise of Christ to gather them under His wings,

 

and in the last public appearance in Jerusalem, Christ wept over the people, saying how much He wanted to gather them under His wings (as a hen would do - this does not make God a chicken, dear Shiloh and Ezra).

 

"But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in His wings;" Micah 4:2.

 

"And I saw another mighty angel...and his face was as it were the sun" Revelation 10:1.

"And His countenance was as the sun shining in his strength." Verse 16.

 

The book of Revelation reveals Jesus Christ. The angels are the symbols of His messages to the church, and the Spirit is the One who is speaking, as it is emphasized after each message "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches."

 

But the Old Testament ends with the figurative speech of God with wings, Why?

because He is indeed the protective One- Jacob's "Angel of the Lord" which lead them out of Egypt and through the Babylonian captivity and every other thing they went through.

 

The angels are God's invisible agents to man, as Jacob saw in the vision of the ladder or stairs from heaven, and so God has been leading His people as an angel, walking among men. But He returns to bring them home, no longer as an invisible angelic guide, but as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

But in the meantime, His guidance is received through His messages represented as angels, the invisible guides for man.

[MorningGlory]

 

The angels are God's invisible agents to man, as Jacob saw in the vision of the ladder or stairs from heaven, and so God has been leading His people as an angel, walking among men. But He returns to bring them home, no longer as an invisible angelic guide, but as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

But in the meantime, His guidance is received through His messages represented as angels, the invisible guides for man.

 

He walked among men as a MAN, not an angel.  Angels are sent as messengers, that much is true.  Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus appear as an angel.  You are incorrect;  angels are the servants of God. 

[Kan]

 

 

The angels are God's invisible agents to man, as Jacob saw in the vision of the ladder or stairs from heaven, and so God has been leading His people as an angel, walking among men. But He returns to bring them home, no longer as an invisible angelic guide, but as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

But in the meantime, His guidance is received through His messages represented as angels, the invisible guides for man.

 

He walked among men as a MAN, not an angel.  Angels are sent as messengers, that much is true.  Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus appear as an angel.  You are incorrect;  angels are the servants of God. 

 

 

I did not write that "Jesus appeared as an angel."

And as for "nowhere in scripture..." - it can be proven without a doubt that Christ is called the Angel of the Lord. While this does not say He "appears" as one, it says He may take on the role of a guardian angel etc. And be called the Angel of the Lord.

 

Angel of the LORD

 

What did the Angel of the Lord say to Hagar? Genesis 16:10 - 14. The Angel says "I will multiply thy seed..." And she recognizes that she is talking face to face with God, and names the place accordingly.

 

I do not agree that every time the title "angel of the Lord" comes up that it is specifically speaking about Christ, but if it is a capitol "A" for angel then probably yes. But we can see from a number of instances that it can only be one who is God, and in other instances any one of the angels, and at other times Gabriel one of the head angels.

 

When I first read the Bible, I just thought it was an ordinary angel, until someone pointed it out. Which made sense in a few places, but I generally did not bother about it, because if a holy angel appears to us, he will be representing God in any case, and we would have to be very attentive. Even now, while I am amazed how God has chosen to walk and talk with men, I don't care too much about it, so long as the name of God is respected, which is what you and others are doing, by standing up for Christ as above the angels etc.

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

The angels are God's invisible agents to man, as Jacob saw in the vision of the ladder or stairs from heaven, and so God has been leading His people as an angel, walking among men. But He returns to bring them home, no longer as an invisible angelic guide, but as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

 

But in the meantime, His guidance is received through His messages represented as angels, the invisible guides for man.

 

He walked among men as a MAN, not an angel.  Angels are sent as messengers, that much is true.  Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus appear as an angel.  You are incorrect;  angels are the servants of God. 

 

 

I did not write that "Jesus appeared as an angel."

And as for "nowhere in scripture..." - it can be proven without a doubt that Christ is called the Angel of the Lord. While this does not say He "appears" as one, it says He may take on the role of a guardian angel etc. And be called the Angel of the Lord.

 

Angel of the LORD

 

What did the Angel of the Lord say to Hagar? Genesis 16:10 - 14. The Angel says "I will multiply thy seed..." And she recognizes that she is talking face to face with God, and names the place accordingly.

 

I do not agree that every time the title "angel of the Lord" comes up that it is specifically speaking about Christ, but if it is a capitol "A" for angel then probably yes. But we can see from a number of instances that it can only be one who is God, and in other instances any one of the angels, and at other times Gabriel one of the head angels.

 

When I first read the Bible, I just thought it was an ordinary angel, until someone pointed it out. Which made sense in a few places, but I generally did not bother about it, because if a holy angel appears to us, he will be representing God in any case, and we would have to be very attentive. Even now, while I am amazed how God has chosen to walk and talk with men, I don't care too much about it, so long as the name of God is respected, which is what you and others are doing, by standing up for Christ as above the angels etc.

 

Question: "Who is the angel of the Lord?"

Answer: The precise identity of the “angel of the Lord” is not given in the Bible. However, there are many important “clues” to his identity. There are Old and New Testament references to “angels of the Lord,” “an angel of the Lord,” and “the angel of the Lord.” It seems when the definite article “the” is used, it is specifying a unique being, separate from the other angels. The angel of the Lord speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and exercises the responsibilities of God (Genesis 16:7-12; 21:17-18; 22:11-18; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; 5:23; 6:11-24; 13:3-22; 2 Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; 3:1; 12:8). In several of these appearances, those who saw the angel of the Lord feared for their lives because they had “seen the Lord.” Therefore, it is clear that in at least some instances, the angel of the Lord is a theophany, an appearance of God in physical form.

The appearances of the angel of the Lord cease after the incarnation of Christ. Angels are mentioned numerous times in the New Testament, but “the angel of the Lord” is never mentioned in the New Testament after the birth of Christ. It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it is logical that He would be active and manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (theophany), it is highly likely that the phrase “the angel of the Lord” usually identifies a physical appearance of God.

http://www.gotquestions.org/angel-of-the-Lord.html

[MorningGlory]

 

 

I did not write that "Jesus appeared as an angel."

And as for "nowhere in scripture..." - it can be proven without a doubt that Christ is called the Angel of the Lord. While this does not say He "appears" as one, it says He may take on the role of a guardian angel etc. And be called the Angel of the Lord.

 

Angel of the LORD

 

What did the Angel of the Lord say to Hagar? Genesis 16:10 - 14. The Angel says "I will multiply thy seed..." And she recognizes that she is talking face to face with God, and names the place accordingly.

 

Wrong.  Hagar asks who she has seen. God often sent angels to bring news.  At no point in Scripture can we find Jesus being sent to do this.  The site you refer to is full of assumptions.  Assumptions aren't fact. 

 

7 And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

 

8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

 

9 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

 

10 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude

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11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction

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12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

 

13 And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

 

 

 

[Kan]

Morning Glory, At least we can agree that an angel can't bless with life.

 

"10 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude"

 

 

Bopeep, I like your post, although I am not sure what happened after Christ came to earth, whether there were any changes. Something to check out in my spare time.

[missmuffet]

Morning Glory, At least we can agree that an angel can't bless with life.

 

"10 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude"

 

 

Bopeep, I like your post, although I am not sure what happened after Christ came to earth, whether there were any changes. Something to check out in my spare time.

It looks like the "Got Questions" article is saying that the reference to 'angel of the Lord' is God not Jesus.

[Kan]

I would hate it if any site or link I provided suggested that God is not referring to Christ equally.

 

On the other hand we can't afford to reject a piece of truth because it is found among the garbage.

We can take or leave what we want according to our understanding of the scripture.