Will there be mansions in heaven?

[wingnut-]

I just wanted to chime in on this discussion about paradise, and where believers are currently with a few passages from scripture.

 

 

Revelation 6:⁹ When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; ¹⁰ and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

 

 

First, we see that the Lamb (which is Jesus) is in heaven and so are the souls of some saints.  So how did they get there?  Revelation is pretty clear about the fact that Jesus comes out of heaven with an army following Him, so I am not sure where the confusion is on this.  Luke records the fact that Jesus went to heaven.

 

 

Luke 24:⁵⁰ And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. ⁵¹ While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven.

 

 

I'm not sure what the debate is about here. 

[Guest]

 

 

Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---

 

But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say....

 

Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.... 

 

All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.... 

 

 

If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject....

 

I'm not surprised as many Christians....

 

have been the victims....

 

of false teachings.....

 

 

Amen Beloved

 

for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels

 

do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 18:10 (King James Version)

 

For Even

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Now

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

 

 

Fresno Joe---please tell us why you also tend toward His ambassador's insistence that the dead are still in Paradise/Hades/grave, where Jesus went to reveal Himself to and lead out the righteous OT saints who were awaiting Him there? Do you not believe that when we vacate our bodies that we will find ourselves immediately in the presence of Jesus Christ---in heaven? Do also agree with him that we will undergo Judgment?

 

 

lol~! Beloved Please Tell Us,

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Is Not God's Word Clear?

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

[His Ambassador]

 

 

 

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

 

You are correct about the New Earth.  But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.  All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.  If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject I'm not surprised as many Christians have been the victims of false teachings.

 

 

Please post the scripture that teaches us that Hades/Paradise is full of believers!

 

I know Revelation 20 and 21 and I know what it says. Our final eternal home is here on the renewed earth. However, our City is the City of God---or heaven---where all believers who have died are right now. Knowing these truths is unchangable in those of us whom the Spirit of God has taught them.

 

You are promoting a false concept, due to a poor comprehension of what "Paradise" is and why Jesus went there.

 

Not "the renewed earth" but the New Earth.  This planet will be destroyed and replaced with a new one which has no oceans.The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters and it is not Heaven.  We will never see the face of God but He will be with us in the person of Jesus.  Hades is NOT full of Believers but contains the lost waiting the judgements.  The thief on the cross was sent to Paradise a very real place for Believers awaiting the judgements.  Those Believers who were removed from Paradise are the ones around God's throne.  Believers who have died since then have gone to Paradise.  These are truths that Jesus revealed to me.  Our Lord did not stop speaking when the Bible was written.  He will speak to you if you ask and listen.  While the Bible is our primary teaching tool and guidebook don't restrict yourself to just what is printed in the Bible.  By the same token don't believe anything that contradicts the Bible.  What I have shared with you does not contradict the Bible but provides information that was not included in the Bible.  And before you say "The Bible contains everything we should know" let me tell you that is a false assumption.  LISTEN to the voice of the Lord and you will learn a lot.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---

 

But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say....

 

Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.... 

 

All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.... 

 

 

If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject....

 

I'm not surprised as many Christians....

 

have been the victims....

 

of false teachings.....

 

 

Amen Beloved

 

for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels

 

do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 18:10 (King James Version)

 

For Even

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Now

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

 

 

Fresno Joe---please tell us why you also tend toward His ambassador's insistence that the dead are still in Paradise/Hades/grave, where Jesus went to reveal Himself to and lead out the righteous OT saints who were awaiting Him there? Do you not believe that when we vacate our bodies that we will find ourselves immediately in the presence of Jesus Christ---in heaven? Do also agree with him that we will undergo Judgment?

 

 

lol~! Beloved Please Tell Us,

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Is Not God's Word Clear?

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

 

 

So, in other words, according to the scriptures, when we die we are immediately in the presence of our Father.

 

Good.

[Raven]

Not "the renewed earth" but the New Earth.  This planet will be destroyed and replaced with a new one which has no oceans.The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters and it is not Heaven.  We will never see the face of God but He will be with us in the person of Jesus.  Hades is NOT full of Believers but contains the lost waiting the judgements.  The thief on the cross was sent to Paradise a very real place for Believers awaiting the judgements.  Those Believers who were removed from Paradise are the ones around God's throne.  Believers who have died since then have gone to Paradise.  These are truths that Jesus revealed to me.  Our Lord did not stop speaking when the Bible was written.  He will speak to you if you ask and listen.  While the Bible is our primary teaching tool and guidebook don't restrict yourself to just what is printed in the Bible.  By the same token don't believe anything that contradicts the Bible.  What I have shared with you does not contradict the Bible but provides information that was not included in the Bible.  And before you say "The Bible contains everything we should know" let me tell you that is a false assumption.  LISTEN to the voice of the Lord and you will learn a lot.

 

Hello His Ambassador.

 

(NIV)Hebrew 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

Truth is alive and active. It is synonymous to Unconditional Love.

Truth resists any conditions placed on it. It cannot be nailed down or claimed. There is always greater depth to Truth that only God can know.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

 

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

 

You are correct about the New Earth.  But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.  All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.  If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject I'm not surprised as many Christians have been the victims of false teachings.

 

 

Please post the scripture that teaches us that Hades/Paradise is full of believers!

 

I know Revelation 20 and 21 and I know what it says. Our final eternal home is here on the renewed earth. However, our City is the City of God---or heaven---where all believers who have died are right now. Knowing these truths is unchangable in those of us whom the Spirit of God has taught them.

 

You are promoting a false concept, due to a poor comprehension of what "Paradise" is and why Jesus went there.

 

Not "the renewed earth" but the New Earth.  This planet will be destroyed and replaced with a new one which has no oceans.The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters and it is not Heaven.  We will never see the face of God but He will be with us in the person of Jesus.  Hades is NOT full of Believers but contains the lost waiting the judgements.  The thief on the cross was sent to Paradise a very real place for Believers awaiting the judgements.  Those Believers who were removed from Paradise are the ones around God's throne.  Believers who have died since then have gone to Paradise.  These are truths that Jesus revealed to me.  Our Lord did not stop speaking when the Bible was written.  He will speak to you if you ask and listen.  While the Bible is our primary teaching tool and guidebook don't restrict yourself to just what is printed in the Bible.  By the same token don't believe anything that contradicts the Bible.  What I have shared with you does not contradict the Bible but provides information that was not included in the Bible.  And before you say "The Bible contains everything we should know" let me tell you that is a false assumption.  LISTEN to the voice of the Lord and you will learn a lot.

 

 

The earth will undergo and complete renewal by God. The New Jerusalem is the City of God which will come down to earth.

 

We will indeed behold the very face of God! The Father and the Son and the Spirit will be with us forever.

 

The thief on the cross, like all Old Covenant saints, found himself in Paradise, or Abraham's Bosom with Jesus that day as Jesus promised him...but Jesus led them all out of there to enter heaven, once He introduced Himself as their long awaited Messiah. Since that day, not one single believer has been confined there, for every believer in Jesus Christ goes to be with Him upon death. Not one single believer in Jesus Christ undergoes JUDGMENT, either.

 

These things you are saying have not been revealed to you by Jesus, for they cannot be confirmed by scripture.

[RustyAngeL]

If that is not the case, and we do not know until we get there, I don't need a mansion.

Actually I would be very  happy with a pretty little log home with lot's of windows so I can see all the glory of Heaven and listen to all the music, that is when I"m not in front of my Heavenly Father worshipping.  Which is why I won't need the big mansion.  I believe we will have our hearts desires when it comes to that.  And our hearts desire will to be walking with the Lord and talking to all those who have gone on before us.

[His Ambassador]

 

 

 

 

 

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

 

You are correct about the New Earth.  But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.  All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.  If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject I'm not surprised as many Christians have been the victims of false teachings.

 

 

Please post the scripture that teaches us that Hades/Paradise is full of believers!

 

I know Revelation 20 and 21 and I know what it says. Our final eternal home is here on the renewed earth. However, our City is the City of God---or heaven---where all believers who have died are right now. Knowing these truths is unchangable in those of us whom the Spirit of God has taught them.

 

You are promoting a false concept, due to a poor comprehension of what "Paradise" is and why Jesus went there.

 

Not "the renewed earth" but the New Earth.  This planet will be destroyed and replaced with a new one which has no oceans.The New Jerusalem is Jesus' headquarters and it is not Heaven.  We will never see the face of God but He will be with us in the person of Jesus.  Hades is NOT full of Believers but contains the lost waiting the judgements.  The thief on the cross was sent to Paradise a very real place for Believers awaiting the judgements.  Those Believers who were removed from Paradise are the ones around God's throne.  Believers who have died since then have gone to Paradise.  These are truths that Jesus revealed to me.  Our Lord did not stop speaking when the Bible was written.  He will speak to you if you ask and listen.  While the Bible is our primary teaching tool and guidebook don't restrict yourself to just what is printed in the Bible.  By the same token don't believe anything that contradicts the Bible.  What I have shared with you does not contradict the Bible but provides information that was not included in the Bible.  And before you say "The Bible contains everything we should know" let me tell you that is a false assumption.  LISTEN to the voice of the Lord and you will learn a lot.

 

 

The earth will undergo and complete renewal by God. The New Jerusalem is the City of God which will come down to earth.

 

We will indeed behold the very face of God! The Father and the Son and the Spirit will be with us forever.

 

The thief on the cross, like all Old Covenant saints, found himself in Paradise, or Abraham's Bosom with Jesus that day as Jesus promised him...but Jesus led them all out of there to enter heaven, once He introduced Himself as their long awaited Messiah. Since that day, not one single believer has been confined there, for every believer in Jesus Christ goes to be with Him upon death. Not one single believer in Jesus Christ undergoes JUDGMENT, either.

 

These things you are saying have not been revealed to you by Jesus, for they cannot be confirmed by scripture.

 

God does not need Scripture to confirm what He says.  That is an erroneous teaching by what I call "Bible lovers" who put the Bible ahead of everything else in God's kingdom.  Where do you get the idea that THIS Earth will undergo a "renewal."  That is NOT what Scripture says.  It says "...the first Earth had disappeared."  The Bible does not say we will see the face of God but that he will be with us and elsewhere the Bible says to see the face of God means we will die.  Jesus is God and He will be with us.  Nowhere does the Bible say Paradise has been cleaned out and no one ever goes there again.  The Bible also does not say the New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth.  It says the New Jerusalem "...comes down out of Heaven."  If you are getting your information from the Bible you need to get it straight.

 

[Floatingaxe]

His Ambassador says:

 

God does not need Scripture to confirm what He says.  That is an erroneous teaching by what I call "Bible lovers" who put the Bible ahead of everything else in God's kingdom.  Where do you get the idea that THIS Earth will undergo a "renewal."  That is NOT what Scripture says.  It says "...the first Earth had disappeared."

The Bible does not say we will see the face of God but that he will be with us and elsewhere the Bible says to see the face of God means we will die.  Jesus is God and He will be with us.  Nowhere does the Bible say Paradise has been cleaned out and no one ever goes there again.  The Bible also does not say the New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth.  It says the New Jerusalem "...comes down out of Heaven."  If you are getting your information from the Bible you need to get it straight.

 

Well, what born again Christian doesn't love God's word????

 

The truth is that WE NEED Scripture to confirm what God says. What I am seeing is people who like to put what their flesh speaks ahead of what God speaks.

 

The Greek word for "new" in Revelation 21:1 and verse 5 as well, is "kainos", and not "neos", and it means "new", with the connotation of refreshment, or renewal.

 

"Just as our bodies die, and return to dust, they will be raised as new bodies that nevertheless have continuity with our former selves, likewise the earth is fallen and will be destroyed, but it will be destroyed in order to be renewed. The restoration of the earth is directly analogous with the resurrection of the redeemed in Christ. Just as we have to die before we are resurrected, the earth must be destroyed before it is renewed. It is not an ‘ultimate’ or final destruction; it is a destruction that clears the way for its re-creation.

 

 

Author and former pastor Randy Alcorn writes:

“God has never given up on his original creation. Yet somehow we’ve managed to overlook an entire biblical vocabulary that makes this point clear. Redeem. Restore. Recover. Return. Renew. Resurrect. Each of these biblical words begins with the re- prefix, suggesting a return to an original condition that was ruined or lost. God always sees us in light of what He intended us to be, and He always seeks to restore us to that design. Likewise, He sees the earth in terms of what he intended it to be, and he seeks to restore it to its original design.” http://creation.com/new-earth

 

 

 

As for seeing the face of God, your opinion is based on a poor understabnding of the scriptures. If we saw God while we are in the flesh, we would surely disintegrate in the power of His glory. However, when we are glorified, we will be able to satand in His presence and see Him facce to face!

 

Hey, even the wicked dead are resurrected and are able to stand before Him to face judgment, so you've got to temper your early impressions with some right thinking. As children of the Father, we will ahev complete intimacy with Him in the Kingdom.

 

Nowhere does the bible say that the righteous dead are kept in a holding place when they die. Even Paul teaches us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Death cannot separate us from Jesus Christ! There is no such place as Paradise or Abraham's Bosom any more---there is just no need for it, because the price of redemption HAS BEEN PAID! Scripture says that Jesus led captivity captive, which means He led the OT saints out of Paradise and enabled them to now enter heaven, and it has been that way ever since.

 

Apparently you do NOT get your information from scripture. Therefore, I don't give it much credit.

[His Ambassador]

 

His Ambassador says:

 

God does not need Scripture to confirm what He says.  That is an erroneous teaching by what I call "Bible lovers" who put the Bible ahead of everything else in God's kingdom.  Where do you get the idea that THIS Earth will undergo a "renewal."  That is NOT what Scripture says.  It says "...the first Earth had disappeared."

The Bible does not say we will see the face of God but that he will be with us and elsewhere the Bible says to see the face of God means we will die.  Jesus is God and He will be with us.  Nowhere does the Bible say Paradise has been cleaned out and no one ever goes there again.  The Bible also does not say the New Jerusalem lands on the New Earth.  It says the New Jerusalem "...comes down out of Heaven."  If you are getting your information from the Bible you need to get it straight.

 

Well, what born again Christian doesn't love God's word????

 

The truth is that WE NEED Scripture to confirm what God says. What I am seeing is people who like to put what their flesh speaks ahead of what God speaks.

 

The Greek word for "new" in Revelation 21:1 and verse 5 as well, is "kainos", and not "neos", and it means "new", with the connotation of refreshment, or renewal.

 

"Just as our bodies die, and return to dust, they will be raised as new bodies that nevertheless have continuity with our former selves, likewise the earth is fallen and will be destroyed, but it will be destroyed in order to be renewed. The restoration of the earth is directly analogous with the resurrection of the redeemed in Christ. Just as we have to die before we are resurrected, the earth must be destroyed before it is renewed. It is not an ‘ultimate’ or final destruction; it is a destruction that clears the way for its re-creation.

 

 

Author and former pastor Randy Alcorn writes:

“God has never given up on his original creation. Yet somehow we’ve managed to overlook an entire biblical vocabulary that makes this point clear. Redeem. Restore. Recover. Return. Renew. Resurrect. Each of these biblical words begins with the re- prefix, suggesting a return to an original condition that was ruined or lost. God always sees us in light of what He intended us to be, and He always seeks to restore us to that design. Likewise, He sees the earth in terms of what he intended it to be, and he seeks to restore it to its original design.” http://creation.com/new-earth

 

 

 

As for seeing the face of God, your opinion is based on a poor understabnding of the scriptures. If we saw God while we are in the flesh, we would surely disintegrate in the power of His glory. However, when we are glorified, we will be able to satand in His presence and see Him facce to face!

 

Hey, even the wicked dead are resurrected and are able to stand before Him to face judgment, so you've got to temper your early impressions with some right thinking. As children of the Father, we will ahev complete intimacy with Him in the Kingdom.

 

Nowhere does the bible say that the righteous dead are kept in a holding place when they die. Even Paul teaches us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Death cannot separate us from Jesus Christ! There is no such place as Paradise or Abraham's Bosom any more---there is just no need for it, because the price of redemption HAS BEEN PAID! Scripture says that Jesus led captivity captive, which means He led the OT saints out of Paradise and enabled them to now enter heaven, and it has been that way ever since.

 

Apparently you do NOT get your information from scripture. Therefore, I don't give it much credit.

 

Paradise is not void of Jesus presence.  Don't assume He is just sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven.  He is busy preparing a place for us.  Frankly I don't care how much or how little credit you give what I am saying.  I'm just sharing what the Lord has shown me.