The strange problem some believers have with " More Salvation.&#34

[OakWood]

To me Jesus is the " Savior of the World."

 

And increased Salvation means its more, way more salvation than most believers have limited it to.

 

I personally believe that many will be saved, not just a few. It is God's desire to save as many as possible (1st Timothy 2:4). However, not all will be saved otherwise the Book of Revelation is wrong.

Some of those who are saved will probably surprise us.

[mickiel]

The books in the bible are not wrong, just the limited way we have been taught to interpret it. We have been taught to limit God's salvation; its inbred in our understanding. It does not matter to me how many Christians claim that all cannot be saved, the word of God claims differently; in Luke 3:6 " And ALL FLESH shall see the Salvation of God." Again the bible reveals MORE salvation than Christians are willing to see.

 

But the hope for the salvation of the world, comes from the bible, it does not come from Christianity or religion. This kind of world hope and salvation is not invested in what religion believes it; it was invested in Christ; and all of humanity will see this glorious salvation.

[wingnut-]

Your interpretation has a serious problem when it comes to these folks.

 

 

Matthew 25:⁴¹ “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; ⁴² for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; ⁴³ I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ ⁴⁴ Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ ⁴⁵ Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ ⁴⁶ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

[angels4u]

I understand you have a desire to question my salvation, to riddle my personage with proof and ID; but Angels4u, allow me to say that my salvation does not depend on how I answer the questions of another believer, because I already know if they don't like something, they condemn it. Jesus is the Savior of the world, no matter how Christians seek to question the world or other believers, Jesus has been sent to save it. In 1 John 4:14, " And we have seen and do testify  that the Father has sent the Son " To be the Savior of the World!" God sent Jesus here to save everybody, not just those Christians approve of.

 

And this is GREAT news for the world! Its MORE salvation, because Jesus is not being picky, he came to seek and save all the unrighteous unbelievers that religion looks so often to condemn. For him to be the " Savior of the World", then he must save the world; oh how good of a news that is for unbelievers!

 

That's way more salvation than I had first believed.

If Jesus is the Savior of the world ,is He also Your Savior?

[mickiel]

I understand my belief encounters problems , mostly among Christians. I am quite sorry for that, but I love the word of God and its tremendous salvation; it actually reveals more salvation than I had first seen, so excuse me if I do not focus on the limited Atonement that others so readily see. I see Rom. 5:18 and its great inclusive salvation;" Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon ALL men to condemnation, ( now this much the average Christian can strangely all see so clearly; they can see the condemnation and accept it), even so, ( even so means " there is another side), by the Righteousness of the one free gift came upon ALL MEN justification of Life!"

 

Oh, glory! Strangely the second part is not so easy to see. The SAME " ALL MEN", are now freely GIVEN Justification to live with God, but WHY? Why are all these :" dirty unbelievers" now justified? Because of Christ Righteousness! By Jesus sacrifice all sinners are now justified before God!

 

This is incredible awesome total loving grace from God! This is giving more salvation to humanity. And please, excuse me for showing this verse. I know it does not " Fit into the short sighted scheme of salvation being taught here." But I thank God, through Jesus Christ, its in the bible, or I could not show it.

 

Peace.

[Guest shiloh357]

Mickiel,

 

Are you a universalist??  Meaning do you believe that all people will be saved even if they don't receive Jesus in this life?

[bcbsr]

 

 

I personally believe that many will be saved, not just a few. It is God's desire to save as many as possible (1st Timothy 2:4). However, not all will be saved otherwise the Book of Revelation is wrong.

Some of those who are saved will probably surprise us.

 

 

In answer to the question, "Lord, are there few who are saved?"

 

Jesus said,  "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

 

So it seems you're mistaken

[wingnut-]

I understand my belief encounters problems , mostly among Christians. I am quite sorry for that, but I love the word of God

 

 

Your belief encounters problems with scripture, such as the scripture I posted and here is another issue from scripture in regards to your belief.

 

 

Revelation 21:⁸ But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

 

You claim to love the Word of God and then simply dismiss the parts that you don't like.  Your intentions may be good, but the fact is you are not doing anyone a favor by telling them that they can get to heaven without belief in Jesus.  What you propose here, is a license to sin.  What you propose here, is something we are warned will take place as we draw closer to His return, false teachings, false teachers, and ear tickling doctrines that lead people astray.

 

What is it that believers are instructed to do with their lives?  Spread the gospel.  Why?  If everyone is saved in the end, this would serve no purpose.

 

Start with the basics, and work your way up from there.  Oh, and by the way, your attempt to portray people who actually do love the Word of God as the bad guys who want people to go to hell is not a very good disguise.  We tell people the truth because we care about their eternal destination, and would prefer they come to accept Jesus and avoid the reality of a place He spent a third of His time on earth talking about.  God bless.

[angels4u]

I am beginning to see " More Salvation" in scripture than I had first thought was there. But the more of that I see, strangely, the more I see many believers are against it.

 

In example, in Job 23:13, its obviously referring to God, "But he is of one mind and who can turn him? And what his soul desires, that he does." Well now, nothing strange here, nothing that would rile the feathers of some believers. Its just saying that God is of one mind, and who can turn him from what he purposes. It plainly states that God does whatever he desires to do.

 

Okay, so no bone crushing crusaders would be against this verse, but boy, if you combine it with 1 Tim. 2:3-4, and the " Mileage of Salvation is significantly increased", many believers start having a problem with so much salvation. Job states that God gets what he desires; here in 1 Tim. 2:3-4 it explains what God desires;" For this is Good and Acceptable in the sight of our Savior, who " Desires ALL men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." God desires all humans to be saved, and he gets what he desires.

 

The " Increase in Salvation " here is simply incredible, and it states that this increased Salvation, is both " Good and Acceptable" to God our Savior. I wonder why this increased Salvation is not good and unacceptable to many believers? Its like they think God does " Not" get what he wants.

 

Interesting dynamic here , one that if you believe it, it could get you frowned on by some believers, for desiring too many to be saved.

 

Or believing it. Yet its right there in scripture. And I like the increased Salvation.

  Do you know what the Bible tells us about false teachers?   Galatians 1 New International Version (NIV)

1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters[a] with me,

To the churches in Galatia:

3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

No Other Gospel

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusionand are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

[mickiel]

To Shiloh, my quote response must not work for this site, but I am not a Universalist; although I agree with the ones who believe all humans will be saved. But I do not agree with all Universalist doctrines, I don't believe in all of anyones doctrines. I believe in the word of God, and its growing salvation. I believe in 1 Tim. 2:6, where Jesus gave himself " A Ransom for ALL." I know many Christians here will persecute me for believing in this verse wholeheartedly, but I see its incredible range of Salvation; if he gave himself for all, then that same all can be saved. And God WANTS that all to be saved, so what some Christians want is not important to me; its what God wants that I trust in.

 

That is the gospel I see, it explains the heart of God to me; everyone is included, no matter if they have Received Christ or not. Christians like to think they have " Received Christ" on their own, of their own choice and own righteousness; its a type of " Self glory" that they merit themselves with, thus it becomes easy for that " Receiving Christ" to be a judgment that they now place on the backs of unbelievers as a " Demand for salvation", when salvation is really free, with no reception as a requirement. In my view, a human cannot even " Work up the ability to receive Christ on their own will", but Christians think they can. My belief is in the word of God, which clearly states in John 3:27, " A man can " Receive nothing", ( including receive Christ), unless it be GIVEN him from heaven.' No human can receive Christ unless the Father draws them, John 6:44.

 

Again, please forgive me for seeing a greater salvation which does not exclude people who have not received Christ; I stand for their salvation, and the bible does as well. They have hope; they have the Love of God. No Christian can remove their salvation from them.

Edited May 11, 2015 by mickiel