Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

[Last Daze]

18 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

 but God also gave us intellect to use, and in that respect, we are not all equal.

Precisely.  And intellect is a far cry from wisdom.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

4 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Precisely.  And intellect is a far cry from wisdom.

Yes, it is.  You can be street smart and not intelligent.
You can be intelligent and not wise.
And you can be wise but not street smart.
But you cannot be wise without being intelligent.

[kwikphilly]

I've heard much Wisdom out of the mouths of the simplest most unintelligent human beings,I know a man who went to school for the mentally retarded(that is the term they used before the PC & discrimination fuss....when I was growing up).....this man is one of the sweetest,kindest most loving people I know,he is a born again Spirit Filled man,everytime he opens his mouth,the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit flows from His lips,,,,,to God be the Glory. His academic level is that of a small child,very low IQ,zero street smarts & yet he is Wiser than most.......I have learned that intellect can be a great hindrance to Wisdom & Understanding......imo

[Last Daze]

16 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

But you cannot be wise without being intelligent.

Godly wisdom is not based on intelligence.  It comes from God and is based on obedience to the word of God.  Those of a lesser intelligence can be, and often are, more wise than those with a high IQ because knowledge tends to puff up.

Obedience is what made the builder wise in Matthew 7, not intelligence.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

27 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Obedience is what made the builder wise in Matthew 7, not intelligence.

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I read it about those who practice lawlessness being foolish.
Now if you love Jesus, which is wise, you will obey.

Mt 7:24 ...a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mt 7:26 ...a foolish man who built his house on the sand. (NASB)

They were both builders.  
The rock is a solid foundation, versus sand, which cannot support the structure in severe weather.
That is being intelligent to know cause and effect.

The lesson though, is figurative.
The wise person builds their life on faith in Christ Jesus, "the "rock cut out of the mountain without hands."
The foolish person builds their life upon themselves, being nothing more than a blade of grass destined for the fire.

Faith without works is dead: it is not enough to be wise enough to love Jesus; we have to lead different lives as well.
- If we do, we will build upon the rock.
- If we don't we might as well build on sand.

Also, Jesus said:
Luke 14:28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won't you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30 saying, 'This person began to build and wasn't able to finish. ' (NIV)

You have to be intelligent enough to plan ahead or you will look foolish.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

37 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

I've heard much Wisdom out of the mouths of the simplest most unintelligent human beings,

We have to come to Christ as children.
A child's love is simple.
Love needs not smarts, intelligence, nor supreme wisdom to be.  Love is wise on its own.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

And the OT patterns you see, like saying what's-his-name is central to Daniel 9:27, is of your own thinking.

I guess you are not familiar with Paul's eschatology using OT patterns, because he taught this long before I did.

(BTW, strange that you should quote a source as being authoritative that doesn't follow your view about the Son of Perdition. You didn't even quote the commentary on the relevant verse, 2 Thes. 2:8, probably because it greatly disagreed with you.)

This string has gone way astray.

[Last Daze]

44 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

Mt 7:24 ...a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mt 7:26 ...a foolish man who built his house on the sand. (NASB)

That's a bit dubious, don't you think?  The parts you left out:

• Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them may be compared to . . .  Matthew 7:24
• Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like . . . Matthew 7:26

Obedience is what made the difference.  Obedience is what led to wisdom.  Anyway, finished with this.  Have a great day.

[kwikphilly]

And you're both saying the same thing basically,in different ways....or the is it the opposite? lol

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Now if you love Jesus, which is wise, you will obey                                                                                           Marcus O'Reillius   Marcus O'Reillius                                                                                                                                            Marcus O'Reillius

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Obedience is what made the difference.  Obedience is what led to wisdom.                                                                    Last Daze                                                                              Last Daze

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

3 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

And you're both saying the same thing basically,in different ways....or the is it the opposite? lol

Really.  Sometimes I have to laugh at how contentious we can be.