Buying Oil - Matt 25

[Marcus O'Reillius]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Jesus didn`t know the day when he was on earth in human form, however now that He is at the right hand of the Father He is in His new body in the Godhead, thus I believe He does know.

I'm really uncomfortable with that approach because I think that Jesus is just as unchanging as the Father and was just as much a part of the Godhead when Elohim brought forth time, space, and matter simultaneously as He is now.

[Ezra]

On 6/17/2015 at 6:54 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

What do you suppose this "buying of oil" represents?

Lack of preparedness for the Rapture. This should be tied in with the other parables which also speak of lack of preparedness through either carelessness or sinfulness.

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

I'm really uncomfortable with that approach because I think that Jesus is just as unchanging as the Father and was just as much a part of the Godhead when Elohim brought forth time, space, and matter simultaneously as He is now.

Hi Marcus,

Yes I agree that the Lord was, is & will ever be apart of the Godhead, & the wondrous thing is that now He is in a human form where as before He was not. His eternal character & attributes are unchanging, however having a human form, (a glorified body though) is something to consider.

regards, Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, Ezra said:

Lack of preparedness for the Rapture. This should be tied in with the other parables which also speak of lack of preparedness through either carelessness or sinfulness.

Hi Ezra,

The parables, I believe were in relation to Israel. Why would the Lord be talking to the people of Israel concerning another group, (the Body of Christ) which was  not even revealed then.

Marilyn.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

1 hour ago, inchrist said:

This is completely false, as its already been mentioned to you, you should really pay attention to the parable for discernment before coming up with wild conjectures.

You know, it's sort of like harassment when you try to discredit everything I post.
It seems like you follow me around saying - NOT TRUE; FALSE!  And you do so without any credibility.
And YOU are the LAST ONE to tell me that I should "pay attention" and seek "discernment".

During the one 'seven', after the talking image of the beast is displayed, two laws go to into effect.  Two laws we're told to disobey to the point of death or else we will never inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

• Worship or die
• Take the mark of the beast or don't buy or sell.

SO ~ if anyone buys or sells during this time, while they're waiting for the LORD to come, they forfeit their inheritance.
Now it's not false, not even completely false.  IN FACT, IT'S TRUE, BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF SCRIPTURE.

Rev 13:15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

And here is what God has to say about it.

Rev 14:9b "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." 

And this is said RIGHT BEFORE the Harvest, when those ten virgins would be just waking up and the five foolish ones figured out that they didn't have enough physical oil to keep their lamps burning, and the five wise virgins tested them saying, 'go buy some.'

So what is wild conjecture?  Your take that the ten virgins somehow relate to the seven Churches.  You want to spout that?  Fine.  Go ahead.  But just because you have some queer notion about how to interpret parables does not mean that other people's thought on it are completely false - because you don't hold the title on the TRUTH.

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Ezra said:

Lack of preparedness for the Rapture. This should be tied in with the other parables which also speak of lack of preparedness through either carelessness or sinfulness.

A special "preparedness" for a pretrib rapture?  Care to expound on what that might be?

[Ezra]

5 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Why would the Lord be talking to the people of Israel concerning another group, (the Body of Christ) which was  not even revealed then.

Because the Lord sees the end from the beginning. Israel was to come under judgement within a matter of 40 years, but the Church would be established and continue until the Rapture.

[Ezra]

29 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

A special "preparedness" for a pretrib rapture?  Care to expound on what that might be?

The Lord expects the Church to be ready for His coming for His saints AT ANY TIME.  It has nothing to do with the Tribulation, but with the fulness of the Gentiles within the Church (the Body of Christ). See Romans 11.

Therefore all the parables regarding His return teach that every believer must be ready in every way to meet the Lord at any time -- it could even be today.

Following the Rapture, there will be the judgment of the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which will result in either rewards or loss of rewards (which include crowns). There will also be awards in terms of degrees of responsibility within the eternal Kingdom of God. Christians won't be idle in eternity.

[Last Daze]

22 minutes ago, Ezra said:

The Lord expects the Church to be ready for His coming for His saints AT ANY TIME.  It has nothing to do with the Tribulation, but with the fulness of the Gentiles within the Church (the Body of Christ). See Romans 11.

Therefore all the parables regarding His return teach that every believer must be ready in every way to meet the Lord at any time -- it could even be today.

Following the Rapture, there will be the judgment of the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which will result in either rewards or loss of rewards (which include crowns). There will also be awards in terms of degrees of responsibility within the eternal Kingdom of God. Christians won't be idle in eternity.

What does it mean to be ready for the rapture?

[Marcus O'Reillius]

56 minutes ago, inchrist said:

And as I provided you with scripture, you "buy" the holy spirit.

REV 3:18 DOES NOT SAY THAT.

17 Because you say, " I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

The Great Multitude are in Heaven not because they bought those white robes, but because they washed their souls with the blood of Jesus; the white robes signify the righteousness of the Saints - Rev 19:8.  That righteousness reverts back to a Christian principle called JUSTIFICATION.  Because Jesus is Holy, those He washes clean with His Blood, then are seen through Him as Holy unto the Father, and the same word for "holy" in both the Greek and the Hebrew, is then translated as "saint" to us.  We are only made righteous by Jesus' Righteousness.

What Jesus is doing in the letter to the Church of Laodicea is juxtaposing their reliance on things material to the requirement for spiritual gifts from God.  Taking the analogy further, He says they should "buy" "gold" from Him.  Now Jesus is not a merchant, so taking this statement and running with it so as to come up with a principle of Christian faith that we "buy" faith is utterly ridiculous and fallacious and is not found in any Epistle.  SALVATION CANNOT BE BOUGHT NOR EARNED.  It is only through FAITH that Salvation is GRANTED.

18 The commands of Christ correspond exactly to the self- deceptions of the Laodiceans. Gold, a source of the wealth of the city, was to be bought from Christ and to become the spiritually poverty- stricken's true wealth. Their shameful nakedness was to be clothed, not by purchasing the sleek, black wool of Laodicea, but by buying from Christ the white clothing that alone can cover shameful nakedness (16:15). For those who were blind to their true condition, the "Phrygian powder" was useless (cf. comments on v. 14). They needed to buy salve from Christ so that they could truly see. The reference to buying would recall the famous market near the temple of Men Karou, where the commodities manufactured at Laodicea could be bought, along with imports from other areas. But to what do gold, white clothes, and salve symbolically refer? Minear suggests the following:

The only cure for poverty- stricken disciples was to purchase from Christ gold which is refined in the agonies of the shared passion. For their nakedness (did Hans Christian Andersen find here the theme of "The Emperor's New Clothes"?) the only recourse was to buy such clothes as the naked Christ had worn on the cross. The blindness of self- deception could be cured only by understanding the correlation between Christ's love and his discipline These three purchases constitute a substantial definition of the kind of zeal and repentance which was the burden of all John's prophecies. The thrust of these commands moves in the direction of rigorous warning They are tantamount to saying "Open your eyes" and "Carry your cross." This letter argues against the widespread assertion of many interpreters to the effect that John's chief concern was to provide consolation to a persecuted church. Nearer the mark would be the opposite assertion; that John, like Jesus, was concerned to bring not peace but a sword (I Saw a New Earth, p. 57).  ~ Expositor's Bible Commentary on Rev 3:18

YOU DO NOT "BUY" THE HOLY SPIRIT.