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Not sure, maybe, no.

I don't believe that love is unconditional, I loved my first wife, but when she left me and got pregnant with another man's baby and said and did very mean and evil things to me, I stopped loving her.

from a human perspective allowing people to suffer eternally in hell is not an act of love.

 

 Love and justice are two sides of the same coin. 


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I believe God does.  People?  No. 


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.

So this is basically saying love is just feelings? I think love is more . . .

What then do you think love is in regards to humans?


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.

So this is basically saying love is just feelings? I think love is more . . .

What then do you think love is in regards to humans?

Actually. No clue. Used to think there is something very wrong with my head. Now I think in general most people don't know either. Just go with what you "feel". Point is, God sees us as unfaithful yet continues to draw us and desire a relationship with us. Can't see why.


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.

So this is basically saying love is just feelings? I think love is more . . .

What then do you think love is in regards to humans?

Actually. No clue. Used to think there is something very wrong with my head. Now I think in general most people don't know either. Just go with what you "feel". Point is, God sees us as unfaithful yet continues to draw us and desire a relationship with us. Can't see why.

If this is too personal please tell me, but are you a parent? I ask because I believe God's love for us is closer to that of a parent for a child than a husband and wife. A parent's love is much more unconditional, it is in many ways a more pure love.


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God's love is unconditional, but He has a special relationship with those who are His own. It is the same with a parent. I have three children who I love no matter what, but two of them have abandoned the family and have no use for any of us. Do I still love them? Yes, but I have a special, and appropriate relationship with the one child who remains connected to the family. She receives the affection, the offer of correction, and the gifts that I give. The others are outside the realm of relationship.

 

The same holds true for God and the world. He loves all, or He would not have sent His Son to die for all mankind, but He has a special Father-child relationship with those who accept Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, and they enter into a family relationship with God.

 

Romans 8:15 (VOICE)

You see, you have not received a spirit that returns you to slavery, so you have nothing to fear. The Spirit you have received adopts you and welcomes you into God’s own family. That’s why we call out to Him, “Abba! Father!” as we would address a loving daddy.


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Yeah I'm sorry I sounded like I was judging you. I was wrong. I should be more specific. I was talking about my life personally. My wife also left for another man. Took what little savings we had. Spent it plus more in personal loans then came home. She is very unhappy with me plain to see. Trying to understand what love could be. God loved us while we were still sinners. God told Hosea to take back his wife. Didn't seem to be asking Hosea how he felt. I see it as God seeks us out yet while we have not been faithful to Him. Thanks Shiloh, yes God is Holy and His love for us cost Him.

The thing about Hosea is that he married Gomer knowing what she was, she didn't suddenly change in the middle of the marriage. The person I loved and married was not the person I divorced, and it seems the case might be the same for you. Everything that I loved about her went away or changed so drastically it was essentially a new person. I didn't love her because of what she gave me, but because of who she was. Once she was no longer that person, the love went away.

Just thinking "married Gomer knowing what she was". What she was was a representative of all people. No one seeks God,we all have been unfaithful. What Gomer was was one of God's creations, deceived by the enemy, yet loved by God.


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Is love unconditional? Does God love us unconditionally? Do people ever love unconditionally?

 

Don't think about it like whether or not he loves us - think about it like he is love. His will is what we call love/good and it is what everyone is trying to reproduce, only what we produce is unjust [because we are selfish].

 

1 John 4:

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

 
 
Like this:
These words are images of my awareness/consciousness/concepts/pysche/soul. (word/image/body/Son)
My awareness is of my will/forces/desire/spirit. (awareness/concepts/soul/Father)
My willl is to reproduce/conceive what is good/love, which is (the image of my awareness of my will.) (will/forces/Holy Spirit)
 
So these words are the image of my awareness of my will, the awareness of my will, as I see it (as I see my will/desire/what is good or love). And so you can see how God is one. His body (Jesus/physicality/Word) is the image of his awareness(Father/soul/pysche) of his will (Holy Spirit/forces/will/his pleasure/good/love). (The soul translates/breathes the spirit into the body, just as I have translated my desire into these words/into physicality.)

 

In this case, my will/spirit/desire/what I saw as good/love was to reproduce my awareness of God being love - that is what my entire post was: the image of my awareness of God being love, and it was my will to reproduce that good/love/awareness of spirit (because I see it as good/love).
 
*I used slashes to infer that the things are conceptually the same. e.g. good/love are conceptually equal. Hope all the slashed didn't make it too hard to understand.
 
What we are all doing is reproducing spiritual awareness byway of the body - the body/word is the mediator. And what we see [in the spirit] is good/love, even if it is something "bad" which we see. e.g. It is good to see that a certain desire is bad. e.g. It is good to have law even though law basically creates evil out of unjust will/spirit/desire.
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Is love unconditional? Does God love us unconditionally? Do people ever love unconditionally?

Yes,God loves us unconditionally.It is very rare that another human will love us unconditionally like God does.


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You never want to project our human experience of love on to God.   God's love is unconditional, but it is also perfect and holy.   Human love is hot one day, cold the next.  It is fickle and preferential.  

 

Agreed.  It seems some people have much larger swings each way on different days lol.  

 

John 13:34  "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

 

Such a short command, yet who can follow it?  I have always had difficulty with even a 5 minute conversation with someone, even more so if I don't know the person very well.  Difficult as in painful, even for the other party generally speaking lol.  So maybe everyone else understands what love is.  Yes, i do have kids, even then i can't explain love.  How do we get over ourselves to follow this simple command to those who lie, cheat or hurt us?  Or even a less personal example, how to love that person you rarely have to see who may be particularly abrasive?  I've been pretty good at generally distancing or ignoring many people.  Everyone at work knows i don't learn the new peoples names for about the first two years because most will not be around that long anyway lol.  Some of it is I am terrible at remembering names, but part of it is my attitude about people that they just aren't reliable, they always leave.  Given the above verse, my attitude must change.

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