The Kingdom of Heaven: Unveiling the Mystery

[missmuffet]

Thank you for responding, in my understanding I will leave some things to God, trying to concetrate in my walk in the will of God.

God bless.

We really do not know what the earth will be like during the Millennium until we get there.

[firestormx]

 

Maybe I missed it when I read your post. The kingdom of God is first and for most a very real, literal kingdom the Jesus himself will establish here on earth at his 2nd coming. He shall rule all nations from Jerusalem. The Jews of the time when Jesus walked this earth were waiting on the Messiah, the king of Israel to come and establish his very real kingdom of God here on earth. Which is the same thing we are waiting on now.  How can you discuss the Kingdom of God and not mention any of this?????

firestormx,

There's no need to slam Emekrus because he did not mention the points that you bring up.  His focus is entirely on the operation of the Kingdom of God here and now in and through the saints, and he has brought out some very good points.  Just a few items which should help clarify things.

 

1. The literal, physical and spiritual Kingdom of God on earth (and in the universe) is an eternal Kingdom, and the Millennial Kingdom of Christ is only a small segment.  These are yet future.

 

2. Today, "the Kingdom of God is within you", meaning that the true subjects of Christ are not necessarily visible externally.  Just as the New Birth is invisible, the Kingdom of God within believers is invisible.

 

3. While Matthew speaks of "the Kingdom of Heaven", Mark and Luke use the term "the Kingdom of God" in the parables of the Kingdom. So evidently the terms are interchangeable.  

 

According to the Gospels, the outward manifestation of the Kingdom shows both tares and wheat, bad fish and good fish, and the leaven (or corruption) of false doctrine within Christendom (or outward Christianity).  Therefore churches have genuine possessors of the Holy Spirit as well as outward professors of Christianity in name only.

Second if you can't be in the kingdom and be oppressed by the devil and his agents, then please explain how that fits in with the Apostle Paul and his thorn?

This is correct. Satan, his evil angels, and demons are on the loose right now (proving thereby that the literal Kingdom of God on earth is yet future).  Whereas Christians cannot be possessed by the devil or demons, they can certainly be attacked and oppressed very seriously.  Paul and the apostles were in a constant daily battle with the forces of evil, as are all genuine Christians who are trying to serve God faithfully.

 

1. I didn't SLAM anyone, I made a point. I shared my thoughts on this. My mistake, I thought that's what this forum was for. 2nd, what I said is accurate and correct. It is very important to proclaim the kingdom of God is a literal kingdom for many reasons, starting with replacement theology and ending with the false doctrine spread by so many churches on this topic. 

 

But I'm not allowed to share my thoughts otherwise I'm slamming people , correct. So I will just leave this topic for you and the others.

[gdemoss]

When the time came for the first advent the multitudes had no idea and the religious leaders of the day never saw it coming. The second coming will be no different as the multitudes will again have no idea and the religious leaders will not see it coming. Why? Because they will be too busy being teachers of their veiw of biblical morality not living up to the truth about Christ as King. They will be eating and drinking, business as usual, marrying and being given away in marriage, arguing the same tired dead theological garbage and then it will be too late.

The Kingdom of God is at hand, is inside you, is as he said it is. I have tasted much of heaven right hear on earth. My King is with me, he and his father make their abode inside me. The breath of God is in my nostrils. I am awake. I am alive. I am ready to serve my Lord the King. Peace be unto all.

[MorningGlory]

Thank you for responding, in my understanding I will leave some things to God, trying to concetrate in my walk in the will of God.

God bless.

 As you should, nt.  God is going to surprise all of us when we get to the Kingdom.  But think how great that will be!

[Ezra]

 

 

Maybe I missed it when I read your post. The kingdom of God is first and for most a very real, literal kingdom the Jesus himself will establish here on earth at his 2nd coming. He shall rule all nations from Jerusalem. The Jews of the time when Jesus walked this earth were waiting on the Messiah, the king of Israel to come and establish his very real kingdom of God here on earth. Which is the same thing we are waiting on now.  How can you discuss the Kingdom of God and not mention any of this?????

firestormx,

There's no need to slam Emekrus because he did not mention the points that you bring up.  His focus is entirely on the operation of the Kingdom of God here and now in and through the saints, and he has brought out some very good points.  Just a few items which should help clarify things.

 

1. The literal, physical and spiritual Kingdom of God on earth (and in the universe) is an eternal Kingdom, and the Millennial Kingdom of Christ is only a small segment.  These are yet future.

 

2. Today, "the Kingdom of God is within you", meaning that the true subjects of Christ are not necessarily visible externally.  Just as the New Birth is invisible, the Kingdom of God within believers is invisible.

 

3. While Matthew speaks of "the Kingdom of Heaven", Mark and Luke use the term "the Kingdom of God" in the parables of the Kingdom. So evidently the terms are interchangeable.  

 

According to the Gospels, the outward manifestation of the Kingdom shows both tares and wheat, bad fish and good fish, and the leaven (or corruption) of false doctrine within Christendom (or outward Christianity).  Therefore churches have genuine possessors of the Holy Spirit as well as outward professors of Christianity in name only.

Second if you can't be in the kingdom and be oppressed by the devil and his agents, then please explain how that fits in with the Apostle Paul and his thorn?

This is correct. Satan, his evil angels, and demons are on the loose right now (proving thereby that the literal Kingdom of God on earth is yet future).  Whereas Christians cannot be possessed by the devil or demons, they can certainly be attacked and oppressed very seriously.  Paul and the apostles were in a constant daily battle with the forces of evil, as are all genuine Christians who are trying to serve God faithfully.

 

1. I didn't SLAM anyone, I made a point. I shared my thoughts on this. My mistake, I thought that's what this forum was for. 2nd, what I said is accurate and correct. It is very important to proclaim the kingdom of God is a literal kingdom for many reasons, starting with replacement theology and ending with the false doctrine spread by so many churches on this topic. 

 

But I'm not allowed to share my thoughts otherwise I'm slamming people , correct. So I will just leave this topic for you and the others.

 

How would you characterize a series of five question marks, when a discussion requires only one?  And there was no false teaching.  It was clearly a mistake to say that Christians cannot be oppressed by the devil and his agents.  Other than that everything was based on Scripture.  And one does not need to leave a discussion on this basis anyhow.  Emekrus was focused on one aspect while you were focused on a different aspect. That is perfectly legitimate.

[Your closest friendnt]

Why he does not speak for he self , perhaps he has not accept the correction

[Your closest friendnt]

Why he does not speak for he self , perhaps he has not accept the correction

posters are frequently speaking up for themselves.

some have not accepted any correction, and some have.

the great majority of multitudes of people on earth never accept God's help (they never acknowledge that God helps them, if He does/ sending rain or sunshine or other needs as He graciously does) ,

and don't even want to ask for it.

i.e. they never accept correction, so they die in their sin.

Brother , this is one most bewtifull things to say God sents the rain and and the help we need, but we don't accept it all the times, (I will be huble, it happens to me too), that was a very good statement , we ofen act like we are the truth.

God Bless.

[MorningGlory]

 

 

1. I didn't SLAM anyone, I made a point. I shared my thoughts on this. My mistake, I thought that's what this forum was for. 2nd, what I said is accurate and correct. It is very important to proclaim the kingdom of God is a literal kingdom for many reasons, starting with replacement theology and ending with the false doctrine spread by so many churches on this topic. 

 

But I'm not allowed to share my thoughts otherwise I'm slamming people , correct. So I will just leave this topic for you and the others.

 

 

Come on, Firestorm, are you going to cut and run as soon as someone challenges you?: You've been at Worthy long enough to know that topics sometimes get heated.  You've got just as much right to speak as anyone else.  You have your opinions, so stand by them.

[thereselittleflower]

 

Can you please, tell us more about the literal Kingtom on earth? I can not see a picture of it in my mind.

Are the people going to eat during that time?

Are we going to have transportation ?

Manufacturing? Are we going to have

garbage colaction and disposal?

Are we going to have animals?

I am assuming you are talking about the Millennium Kingdom on earth after the tribulation.

 

Question: "Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom?"

Answer: There will be two distinct groups occupying the Earth during the millennial kingdom—those with glorified bodies, and those with earthly bodies who lived through the tribulation and on into the millennial kingdom. Those with glorified bodies consist of the Church, receiving glorified bodies at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 51-53), and those who are resurrected after Christ returns to Earth (Revelation 20:4-6). Those who have earthly bodies can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews (Israel).

In Revelation 19:11-16, we find the return of Jesus Christ to Earth, known as His second coming. The rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53) is an appearing of Christ in the air, not His second coming. I mention this to make a distinction between the rapture and the second coming of Christ. There is no mention inRevelation 19-20 of any kind of rapture event. The implication is that saints who are on Earth when Christ returns will remain on Earth to enter the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies. If the rapture or any kind of event where a living believer receives a glorified body were included in the second coming of Christ to Earth, one would expect to find reference to such a major event in Revelation 19. But no such reference is to be found. The only event that results in believers receiving glorified bodies is found in Revelation 20:4-6 where those who became believers during the Tribulation and were killed because of their faith are resurrected. It is also believed that at this same time Old Testament saints will be resurrected, also receiving glorified bodies (see Daniel 12:2).

Matthew 25:31-46 is another passage that should be considered. This passage is commonly called the separation or judgment of the sheep and the goats. The sheep and goats refer to righteous and unrighteous Gentiles. Christ will judge the unrighteous Gentiles (goats), and they will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). Therefore, no unbelieving Gentile will survive to live on into the millennial kingdom. The righteous Gentiles, or sheep, will live on into the millennial kingdom. They will give birth to children and will populate the Earth. However, these are not the only ones who will be producing children during the millennial kingdom.

The impression is given that when Christ returns, all Israel will trust in Him (Zechariah 12:10). They, too, will not receive glorified bodies (as did those who were raptured prior to the tribulation and those resurrected afterward). They also will produce children during the millennial kingdom.

So, believing Gentiles, Israel, and resurrected/raptured believers (all of whom have glorified bodies) will occupy the Earth. It should be noted, however, that believers with glorified bodies will not be reproducing. There is no marriage after this life (Matthew 22:30).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility of faith in Christ as all people of past ages have (faith in Christ since His coming; faith in God before—Genesis 15:2-6; Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 3:20). Unfortunately, not all of the children that are born during the millennial kingdom will come to faith in Christ. Those that do not will be led away by Satan into rebellion against God at the end of the millennial kingdom when Satan is let loose for a short time (Revelation 20:7-10).

For a further look at this subject (who will live into the millennial kingdom), look also at the following passages:Isaiah 2:2-4; Zechariah 14:8-21; Ezekiel 34:17-24; Daniel 7:13-14; Micah 4:1-5.

http://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-kingdom.html

 

 

 

"Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility of faith in Christ as all people of past ages have "

 

 

The scriptures say:

 

Hebrews 11:1

 

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

 

If faith is the evidence of things not seen, and in the millennial kingdom all now is seen,  how is there anymore faith?

[Ezra]

If faith is the evidence of things not seen, and in the millennial kingdom all now is seen, how is there anymore faith?

A very good question which in itself proves that WE ARE NOT LIVING IN THE MILLENNIUM.  Today faith is a necessity, but during the Millennium everything will be plainly evident, and Christ Himself will be visible to men.