should CHRISTIANS OWN WEAPONS OR FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE SYSTEM?

[The_Patriot21]

The day is coming when they will beat their swords into plow sheers and learn war no more.

You are absolutely right, that day is coming and I look forward to it, but that day has not come. So I shall keep my weapons until such a time as they are not needed or God tells me not to.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Some use guns, some use rocks, and still other use words as "weapons".

 

I have guns but pray I never find a use for them.

I have rocks but pray I never throw one at another.

I have words but pray I use them in love and kindness.

[Righttruth]

Scripture does not rule out self-defence or protecting oneself or one's family from harm (Mt 26:53; Lk 22:36).  There are many ways to address this, and one should be clear that the presence of a lethal weapon can lead to fatalities. The reference to swords into plowshares points to a time in the future when warfare will be replaced by universal peace. It would not apply to self defence.

Matthew 26:53 doesn't advocate war. Jesus refused to take the help that way. Luke 22:36 was an indication that possession of weapon amounts to transgression. So a believer in Christ will not own weapons meant for killing somebody.

Edited August 7, 2015 by Righttruth

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

 

Scripture does not rule out self-defence or protecting oneself or one's family from harm (Mt 26:53; Lk 22:36).  There are many ways to address this, and one should be clear that the presence of a lethal weapon can lead to fatalities. The reference to swords into plowshares points to a time in the future when warfare will be replaced by universal peace. It would not apply to self defence.

Matthew 26:53 doesn't advocate war. Jesus refused to take the help that way. Luke 22:36 was an indication that possession of weapon amounts to transgression. So a believer in Christ will not own weapons meant for killing somebody.

 

 

 

Peter didn't believe in Christ (though He drew it for the wrong reason)?

 

"Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus."

[The_Patriot21]

Incidentally, were all forgetting 4 very important things, one Jesus told the disciples to purchase swords before Peters incident in the garden, 2 Jesus didn't rebuke Peter for having the sword, just for its improper use, 3 the new testament does NOT prohibit owning a sword, and finally the old testament does tell us when and how deadly force can be used, and the new testament not only says that ALL scripture is to be used, and that the law is there so that we know what sin is.

[Righttruth]

 

 

Scripture does not rule out self-defence or protecting oneself or one's family from harm (Mt 26:53; Lk 22:36).  There are many ways to address this, and one should be clear that the presence of a lethal weapon can lead to fatalities. The reference to swords into plowshares points to a time in the future when warfare will be replaced by universal peace. It would not apply to self defence.

Matthew 26:53 doesn't advocate war. Jesus refused to take the help that way. Luke 22:36 was an indication that possession of weapon amounts to transgression. So a believer in Christ will not own weapons meant for killing somebody.

 

 

 

Peter didn't believe in Christ (though He drew it for the wrong reason)?

 

"Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus."

 

That was Peter known for acting impulsively. Jesus cautioned,  "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.(Matthew 26: 52)

[Rev2015]

Some use guns, some use rocks, and still other use words as "weapons".

 

I have guns but pray I never find a use for them.

I have rocks but pray I never throw one at another.

I have words but pray I use them in love and kindness.

 

 

 

To pray first is wisdom. Give thanks to God for the means to protect your loved ones, but pray you never have to use them.

 

As far as fighting back against the "system". well that is a personal decision everyone will have to decide for themselves.  If they ever do come for us, I myself will not get on the bus, or train.

 

“It is far, far better to choose how you will die, than for others to choose….. how you will live”.......A.R. Spook

Edited August 7, 2015 by Rev2015

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

 

 

 

Scripture does not rule out self-defence or protecting oneself or one's family from harm (Mt 26:53; Lk 22:36).  There are many ways to address this, and one should be clear that the presence of a lethal weapon can lead to fatalities. The reference to swords into plowshares points to a time in the future when warfare will be replaced by universal peace. It would not apply to self defence.

Matthew 26:53 doesn't advocate war. Jesus refused to take the help that way. Luke 22:36 was an indication that possession of weapon amounts to transgression. So a believer in Christ will not own weapons meant for killing somebody.

 

 

 

Peter didn't believe in Christ (though He drew it for the wrong reason)?

 

"Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus."

 

That was Peter known for acting impulsively. Jesus cautioned,  "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.(Matthew 26: 52)

 

I agree (in my understanding). Still, I don't think it's fair to assume that anyone who owns a weapon does not believe in Christ.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

 

Some use guns, some use rocks, and still other use words as "weapons".

 

I have guns but pray I never find a use for them.

I have rocks but pray I never throw one at another.

I have words but pray I use them in love and kindness.

 

 

 

To pray first is wisdom. Give thanks to God for the means to protect your loved ones, but pray you never have to use them.

 

As far as fighting back against the "system". well that is a personal decision everyone will have to decide for themselves.  If they ever do come for us, I myself will not get on the bus, or train.

 

“It is far, far better to choose how you will die, than for others to choose….. how you will live”.......A.R. Spook

 

Amen!

[Ezra]

 

Scripture does not rule out self-defence or protecting oneself or one's family from harm (Mt 26:53; Lk 22:36).  There are many ways to address this, and one should be clear that the presence of a lethal weapon can lead to fatalities. The reference to swords into plowshares points to a time in the future when warfare will be replaced by universal peace. It would not apply to self defence.

Matthew 26:53 doesn't advocate war. Jesus refused to take the help that way. Luke 22:36 was an indication that possession of weapon amounts to transgression. So a believer in Christ will not own weapons meant for killing somebody.

 

War and self-defence are two entirely separate issues. And if the Lord told his disciples to purchase swords, that would have been for self-defence.

 

God does not disapprove of war.  Indeed, when Christ returns to earth for the second time, He will destroy all His enemies at the battle of Armageddon (Rev 19), and later on at the battle of Gog and Magog (Rev 20).  There is such a thing as righteous warfare, and we see Michael and his holy angels at war with Satan and his evil angels (Rev 12).  

 

Christians are presently in a spiritual battle with Satan and his evil forces (Eph 6), therefore God has given to us "the weapons of our warfare" which are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.

 

At present Radical Islam is at war with the West, and the only remedy for terrorists is "termination with extreme prejudice".  Sometimes the only way to maintain peace is to deal with the enemy severely.