should CHRISTIANS OWN WEAPONS OR FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE SYSTEM?

[The_Patriot21]

11 minutes ago, Churchmouse said:

When did Jesus ever pick up a weapon?

Again, re read the rest of this thread or the other ancient thread that was revived. Or start a new topic. I find reviving ancient threads to be a waste of time. Every question you've posed has already been answered in this thread. If you want a new, fresh discussion on it, start a new thread

 This will be my last post on this thread

 

[Churchmouse]

5 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Again, re read the rest of this thread or the other ancient thread that was revived. Or start a new topic. I find reviving ancient threads to be a waste of time. Every question you've posed has already been answered in this thread. If you want a new, fresh discussion on it, start a new thread

 This will be my last post on this thread

 

I didn't revive this. It was already posted on by others today. I read the new testament and Christ never picked up any weapon .

[The_Patriot21]

14 minutes ago, Churchmouse said:

I didn't revive this. It was already posted on by others today. I read the new testament and Christ never picked up any weapon .

I didn't say you did. I said I dislike debating ancient threads, it was not an attack nor was I saying you did it, just that it was revived.

And you should actually re-read the new testament. Jesus did indeed pick up a weapon at least once in his ministry, and used it. He also told His disciples to go buy swords, and, big hint here, before going into the garden of Gethsemane, asked his disciples if any of them had swords, to which they replied "2" and he said that was enough.

Now, like I said I'm done with this thread. I encourage you to open your Bible and find the passages I am talking about, and if you want to discuss them we can do so in a new thread.

[hmbld]

16 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I didn't say you did. I said I dislike debating ancient threads, it was not an attack nor was I saying you did it, just that it was revived.

And you should actually re-read the new testament. Jesus did indeed pick up a weapon at least once in his ministry, and used it. He also told His disciples to go buy swords, and, big hint here, before going into the garden of Gethsemane, asked his disciples if any of them had swords, to which they replied "2" and he said that was enough.

Now, like I said I'm done with this thread. I encourage you to open your Bible and find the passages I am talking about, and if you want to discuss them we can do so in a new thread.

Jesus picked up a whip, which has a specific purpose of driving cattle. 

[The_Patriot21]

9 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Jesus picked up a whip, which has a specific purpose of driving cattle. 

It is still a weapon. You can say it was "just for driving cattle" but, it was just as commonly used to torture people by pretty much every culture in existence. In fact more people have had whips used on them then cattle. Just saying. And Jesus didn't use it to drive cattle either. 

A whip is just a tool, just like a gun is just a tool.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, Churchmouse said:

 

What makes you think that Jesus was not a pacifist?

Pacifism is a secular concept, not a biblical one.  The Bible does not command us to not defend our families or ourselves.  Pacifism is something that misguided people try to pencil into the Bible.

[The_Patriot21]

I might add, the modern pacifist would never have chased people around with a whip. Not unless their candidate lost the election that is.

[Churchmouse]

47 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I might add, the modern pacifist would never have chased people around with a whip. Not unless their candidate lost the election that is.

But they would say love their enemie and if someone asks you for your coat give them more and also turn the other cheek.

[Churchmouse]

57 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Pacifism is a secular concept, not a biblical one.  The Bible does not command us to not defend our families or ourselves.  Pacifism is something that misguided people try to pencil into the Bible.

I won't respond to your misguided remark. i will ask you for any references where you can clearly point out where Jesus talked about protecting property or people or even  raising our hands to anybody. . The scripture about buying a sword is also followed by those that live by the sword die by the sword, so i am not clear on what Jesus wanted his apostles to do with them.

[other one]

7 minutes ago, Churchmouse said:

But they would say love their enemie and if someone asks you for your coat give them more and also turn the other cheek.

turning the other cheek is not letting someone beat you up.....   customs at the time lightly striking someone on the cheek was the ultimate insult and usually resulted in a fight.....   what the Bible is telling you is that of someone insults you, offer him the other cheek to insult.....   doesn't mean to get up off the ground and tell them to have another go at it.

there is a difference in asking for your coat and sticking a knife to your throat and taking it....

I have actually had someone ask me for my coat.....    it was about 15 degrees outside and I was about to get into my car when this man simply told me he was freezing to death and asked me to help him,......   I gave him a duck down filled waste length coat and a hundred dollars.....    and that's what the Bible is talking about.

What about the parable of if the homeowner knew when the strong man was going to rob his house he could stop him....    well that's not a passive thing about standing by and watching someone run off with your things....   and if he's really a strong man and you're 70 or 80, very few could defend their homes bare handed.....      but that doesn't mean you set out to kill someone, just stop them from what they are doing to you....