What is partaking of Homosexuality?

[OakWood]

The bible says we as Christians are not to partake in the sins of another. Homosexuality is a sin. So why is baking a cake for them sin or against Christian beliefs? What I am having trouble with is this. Jesus was called a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners because that's who he was around most of the time. One of his first miracles in the book of John is turning water in to wine at a wedding after everyone had gotten drunk. If Jesus can create wine and be at a wedding where people are going to drink the wine he just made ( after they have already been drinking a good while ) to get drunk. If Jesus can be around " sinners " all the time to the point that people call Jesus a drunk and a glutton , Then why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

 

Firestormx

Marriage is God's domain.  He created marriage.   Gay who wed do not have a marriage because God and God alone defines what marriage is.  Gay "marriage"  is a perversion of God's prescription for marriage and human sexuality and he calls it an abomination.   That would include anything in the peripheral that goes with it, such as wedding cakes, photography, and providing any other goods an services to facilitate that kind of event.

We as believers cannot, biblically, lend our resources/services to facilitate and enable what God has stated clearly that he hates.

This has nothing in common with Jesus being willing to seen with sinners.   Jesus didn't avoid sinners, but Jesus didn't participate in, or enable their sinful habits or lifestyle.    Jesus was called a glutton and drunk by his enemies, those who were lying to discredit him all of the time.  You can't go by their words.   Jesus was neither a glutton nor a drunk.  It was just a slander that was issued against Jesus when they couldn't find a legitimate reason to hate him.

What about Jesus making the wine at the wedding, wasn't that enabling the people at the wedding to get drunk?

It's important to understand that wine in those days was not near as strong as what we produce to day.  They relied on only natural fermentation which has a much, much lower alcohol content than our modern processes.    So it is not the case that Jesus was enabling anyone to get drunk, any more than multiplying the bread and fish was enabling people to over eat.  The alcoholic content of drinks in Bible times and what they considered "strong drink"  would be  like drinking water when compared to the proof levels of modern alcoholic beverages of today.

I'm not sure where you've got that information from Shiloh. It sounds like 'science' made-up by Pentecostals (when they're not claiming that the wine in the Bible was alcohol-free that is). Natural fermentation processes in any grape juice would still create an alcohol content of anywhere from 9-15%, more than enough to get somebody drunk with just a few glasses.. Anybody who makes home-made wine will tell you that.

To my knowledge the finest wines are still produced by traditional methods. There is no 'pumping up' of the alcohol content in any shape or form. We have even discovered wines from Ancient Greece that have been preserved for two thousand years. The diver Jacques Cousteau found such an urn buried at the bottom of the sea, sealed, waterproof and containing the original wine made at the time. He drank it himself and testified just how strong it was.

Once yeast is added to a sugary solution and starts to ferment it will continue to ferment until all or most of the sugar turns to alcohol. In fact stopping the fermentation process is more difficult than accelorating it. It's one reason that you can't make a sweet beer by adding more sugar. All that happens is the extra sugar ferments and makes the beer stronger. The excess sugar turns to alcohol and contributes nothing to any sweetness. I can testify to this myself from my 'home-brew' days.

With grape juice in particular, fermentation is more likely to occur than not, especially in a warm climate because yeast lives on the skin of grapes and as soon as a grape is crushed it comes into contact with the juice. Yeast is a living fungus that feeds on sugar and breaks it down to form alcohol and carbon dioxide as by-products. Any grape-juice stored in a covered container would turn to wine soon enough left to its own devices. Old grape juice nearly always had alcohol in it.

Modern processes are used to kill the yeast rather than encourage it. They are actually incorporated to prevent the creation of alcohol in the first place. Which is why if you buy a carton of alcohol-free grape juice you'll probably find that it contains yeast-killing preservatives to prevent the sugar from turning into alcohol and not the other way round.

Even the poorest of grapes, grown in poor soils that are low in sugar will still produce an alcohol content of around 9% when crushed and left alone for a few days or weeks. 9% is much stronger than any beer, lager or cider.

 

[xyluz]

 why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

1. First of all it is NOT a "gay" wedding but a wretched wedding.  Paul says that the things which are done are not even to be mentioned because they are so filthy.

2. Homosexual unions are condemned and judged in Scripture, not celebrated with cakes.  Lot's wife was judged for even looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah.  Think about that.

3. God hates the sin and loves the sinner. Therefore the only message to give to homosexuals (as to all sinners) is repent and be converted.

4. Therefore baking a cake for a homosexual "wedding" (a perversion of the word) is giving approval to that which is condemned by God.  A homosexual wedding is actually a Satanic attack against lawful marriage and lawful unions.

 

[FresnoJoe]

The answer is answered with a simple question....

Would Jesus bake a cake for a gay wedding....

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Amen~! Jesus Did A Whole Lot More For The Gay Folk

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

Than Just Bake A Wedding Cake

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

I See

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5