Why did God create evil?

[JohnD]

WHY DID GOD CREATE EVIL? Can someone counsel me on the reason why God created evil. I believe that the eyes of God is too pure to behold evil, I desire to know the reason why God created evil. your contribution can be of help.

God did not create evil. 

The Bible seems to say he did.

Isaiah 45:7 (AV)

⁷I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

But as I pointed out, it was incidental rather than intentional.

Akin to the idea that the same sun that melts the wax hardens the clay (from the discussion why did God harden Pharaoh's heart?).

 

What I am saying is that God did not create moral evil.   The "evil"  that is mentioned in Isa. 45:7 is referring to calamity usually resulting from judgment, such as natural disasters.  The biblical languages use the word "evil"  to describe not just moral issues but misfortune like natural disasters or unfortunate circumstances.

Is. 45:7 is not saying that God created sin, but that he causes bad things to happen in judgment on mankind.   He causes good things and he causes bad things.   That's the basic jist of the verse in context.

Um... that's your opinion. I will grant that. 

But the point I made was biblical.

Furthermore evil is the consequence / result of men and angels choosing or doing that which is contrary to God's will. 

For there to have even been a choice there had to be the opportunity to choose that which is contrary to God's will. And would that have even been possible unless God made it so?

Within the confines of our vast limitations, God has  granted men and angels an amount of sovereignty.

Anyway you look at it Isaiah 45:7 closes every mouth (including yours and including mine).

[Guest shiloh357]

WHY DID GOD CREATE EVIL? Can someone counsel me on the reason why God created evil. I believe that the eyes of God is too pure to behold evil, I desire to know the reason why God created evil. your contribution can be of help.

God did not create evil. 

The Bible seems to say he did.

Isaiah 45:7 (AV)

⁷I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

But as I pointed out, it was incidental rather than intentional.

Akin to the idea that the same sun that melts the wax hardens the clay (from the discussion why did God harden Pharaoh's heart?).

 

What I am saying is that God did not create moral evil.   The "evil"  that is mentioned in Isa. 45:7 is referring to calamity usually resulting from judgment, such as natural disasters.  The biblical languages use the word "evil"  to describe not just moral issues but misfortune like natural disasters or unfortunate circumstances.

Is. 45:7 is not saying that God created sin, but that he causes bad things to happen in judgment on mankind.   He causes good things and he causes bad things.   That's the basic jist of the verse in context.

Um... that's your opinion. I will grant that. 

But the point I made was biblical.

Furthermore evil is the consequence / result of men and angels choosing or doing that which is contrary to God's will. 

For there to have even been a choice there had to be the opportunity to choose that which is contrary to God's will. And would that have even been possible unless God made it so?

Within the confines of our vast limitations, God has  granted men and angels an amount of sovereignty.

Anyway you look at it Isaiah 45:7 closes every mouth (including yours and including mine).

It's not my opinion.   God does not create moral evil/sin.   You can provide NO Scripture that says he does.   I am working from facts about the nature and character of God.  If you ascribing any blame to God for moral evil, that is heretical.     You haven't made a truly biblical point at all.  The evil in Is. 45:7 isn't talking about moral evil and even someone with a rudimentary understanding of the Bible knows that.  

God has granted us free will, not sovereignty.   God grants us the choice between good and moral evil.  

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Shiloh, I have a question;

"Is. 45:7 is not saying that God created sin, but that he causes bad things to happen in judgment on mankind.   He causes good things and he causes bad things.   That's the basic jist of the verse in context."

So is this "evil" that God created a righteous evil, or a righteous response to sin ( I'm not familiar with the Hebrew equivalence ) ? 

I still see evil as the concept of things accomplished apart from, and in opposition to God's will.

[Sister]

 

Please show me in Scripture where there is beginning before Gen 1:1 ?
Your poor exegetical skill is evident in the very simple reasoning of Gen 1:1 "in the beginning" -> this is a conclusive statement
of the communication of God to all that had beginning! Even a child knows God has no beginning yet that same child  knows
angels began, heaven and earth began, man began...  "In the beginning" encompasses all that began and is written to that which
has beginning! Context Gen 1:1 is God's Word to that of beginning ... to the eternal state Rev 22:17 all will be judged within these
parameters of God's Word to His creation!

Enoob

You've missed something very important;

 Genesis 1:1   In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(THIS IS ALL BEFORE DAY ONE.  HEAVEN IS MADE FIRST AND THEN ALL THE ANGELS ARE CREATED.  THE EARTH IS MADE BUT NOT COMPLETED.  THE EARTH IS JUST SITTING THERE WITHOUT FORM AND VOID FOR HOW MANY YEARS WE DON'T KNOW, COULD BE THOUSANDS, OR MILLIONS OF YEARS)

NOTE: THE HEAVEN - NOT THE HEAVENS.  So when God started creating, he did not start with us but first completed heaven with his heavenly host.

Now start counting, day 1 starts here;

 Genesis 1:2   And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (THE EARTH IS ALREADY SITTING THERE, A GREAT BIG BALL FULL OF WATER.  BEEN THERE FOR A LONG LONG TIME, NOW HE STARTS FORMING IT)

 Genesis 1:3   And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 Genesis 1:4   And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
 Genesis 1:5   And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
 

Now according to your reasoning Lucifer was made on day 1? 

Ezekiel 28:14   Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:15   Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:17   Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

All that wisdom and beauty he had was only for a very very short time?  His experience and authority in heaven was only what, a few weeks, or few months? maybe even a few years?  Lucifer is only a babe then according to you?  Sorry this doesn't gel, Genesis is only giving an account of the creation of earth and the universe.  Just because it doesn't give details of before that doesn't mean it wasn't already created. 

Your mannerism and the way you speak to me is rude, but keep going, this is the perfect environment for whatever is in your heart to come out and reveal your pride.

 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

If evil is the consequence of choice it was  NOT created by GOD. Freedom of choice was also given to the Cherub Lucifer and because of the sin of conceit / pride he CHOSE  evil and became Satan the adversary. In God's omnipotence He knew this was going to be the outcome but this doesn't mean he created it. He allowed it to be a consequence of Free Will and will use it for HIS HOLY Purposes.

Good point!

 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Davida,   et al,   not all, but some (well,  maybe all) of the challenges to God's Word and God's character may 

be a direct result of the infiltration of catholic upbringing (and teachings and practices) opposed to God.  

Those ways of thinking have infiltrated all or most segments of protestant groups as well as much of society, 

and cannot be fixed.    It can be frustrating if and when that is the case (sometimes it is HONEST INQUIRY AND THAT IS GOOD!) , because often it may be after many posts or days or weeks have passed before someone admits they were or are rcc,  or for that matter mormon, gay, or even republican, 

and they aren't doing an honest inquiry but are promoting or defending their 'group', wittingly or not.

Let all honest inquiry continue..... but remember (with a view of hopefully finding out otherwise by testing)  there are counterfeits online.

Well, I don't have a group other than those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

I have ( confessed ), and I do ( believe in my heart ) !

I hope to see many join that group! 

[other one]

Davida,   et al,   not all, but some (well,  maybe all) of the challenges to God's Word and God's character may 

be a direct result of the infiltration of catholic upbringing (and teachings and practices) opposed to God.  

Those ways of thinking have infiltrated all or most segments of protestant groups as well as much of society, 

and cannot be fixed.    It can be frustrating if and when that is the case (sometimes it is HONEST INQUIRY AND THAT IS GOOD!) , because often it may be after many posts or days or weeks have passed before someone admits they were or are rcc,  or for that matter mormon, gay, or even republican, 

and they aren't doing an honest inquiry but are promoting or defending their 'group', wittingly or not.

Let all honest inquiry continue..... but remember (with a view of hopefully finding out otherwise by testing)  there are counterfeits online.

Well, I don't have a group other than those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

I have ( confessed ), and I do ( believe in my heart ) !

one might ask if your confession was/is true....     Just making a point and in no way pointing a finger.

[tsth]

If evil is the consequence of choice it was  NOT created by GOD. Freedom of choice was also given to the Cherub Lucifer and because of the sin of conceit / pride he CHOSE  evil and became Satan the adversary. In God's omnipotence He knew this was going to be the outcome but this doesn't mean he created it. He allowed it to be a consequence of Free Will and will use it for HIS HOLY Purposes.

Good point!

 

Satan is the King of the children of pride....he serves a purpose...as well.

Read Job 41

33 On earth there is nothing like him, Which is made without fear.

34 He beholds every high thing; He is king over all the children of pride."

 

In His Love,

Suzanne

[enoob57]

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Edited August 31, 2015 by enoob57

[tsth]

By having the ability to choose makes it special to Him when we come after Him.  And He even made the choice simple, good or evil, or Jesus Christ is Lord and King of your life or the devil is your father.  You either have light or darkness.  You either hunger and thirst for righteousness or you are ate up with depravity.  its an either or thing really. 

This goes back to what I was talking about....the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil............please take a look....it's very simple.

 

If I may add to this comment, you have to go back to the Garden of Eden:

Consider the trees:

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.           

Man when he ate of the above, was now given the choice because he was given the knowledge of good and evil.......he now has to make a choice.....so, what if a man chooses evil, to do evil?  What is the remedy?

The short answer is evil contends w/evil:

 

Psalm 34:21 Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous shall be condemned.               

Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.           

 

Evil contends with evil.

 

 

In His Love,

Suzanne