Submission

[Pamelasv]

Well then greater will her reward be in heaven.  

[gdemoss]

Well then greater will her reward be in heaven.  

No, she wasn't perseuted for her faith.  And she never learned the lesson in it all.  She remained a victim though she was simply unable to see that she was the one who put herself in harms way because she hoped to gain something for self.  Her reward is the pain that comes from being selfish and self-centered. 

[Pamelasv]

We are obviously talking about two different things here.  No time to explain what I meant at the moment. 

 

[oldzimm]

So the smaller car gives way to the bigger or whichever gets there first?

Well if the smaller car is faster it gets there first, but that's not what God intended in his rule of order, we are not to compete to see who leads. A husband and his wife are equal (both cars are the same size) yet God made the husband the head of the family as it says in Ephesians 5:22-24.

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

Now before the men start doing some chest pounding, lets see what says in Ephesians 5:25-23.

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.[a] 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church,30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

So I guess gentlemen when we say "I DO" we have taken on a big responsibility, set your wife on a pedestal and treat her with the utmost respect, after all she is God's daughter.

Another example of submission is the Supreme rule of order, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all three are equal yet there is still submission to God the Father. In Luke 22:41-42 Jesus prayed to God the Father showing his submission to God.

41 And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.

 

Old Zimm

 

[gdemoss]

We are obviously talking about two different things here.  No time to explain what I meant at the moment. 

 

lol i am so used to miscommunication happening in this life I half expect it in every communication I have.  No worries, sorry I could not see what you were saying,  

[Pamelasv]

I just meant that if the woman is 'suckling it up'  and able to continuously be godly when the man is a hard cruelish ruler, then woman will have the greater reward, because she acted as she should have, and he didn't.  That is if he knew what he was doing, if not and couldn't see it, I guess we are judged according to what we know, not what we do not know.  

I was being like a nah nah nah, so ha. Lol. To whomever, nobody in particular.   By the way ▪gdmoss▪,  you give lots of good answers in here.  

 

 

[Pamelasv]

Great topic, I didn't get a chance to read all the post, so I'll give my two cents (maybe it has already been given).

The world has made submission sound like a bad thing and it is not. Maybe it is just me but did you ever notice God has a rule of order and it is in three's. Example are The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit / in the Church we have Jesus (head of the Church), pastors and congregations / in the family we have Husband, Wife and Children / even in our government we have Executive, Legislative and Judicial, I bet if we really think about it the list could go on.

Somebody has to lead and answer for whom they are leading, in the Church Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and he is our way to God and intervenes for us (we are soooo lucky we have Jesus). In the family God made the husband the leader and the one who must answer for the family, but as Deidre said he must be worthy and treat not just his wife well, the children also. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and God walked through the garden it was Adam he was looking for, he called out "Adam where are you" because Adam had to answer for the family.

Being submissive to your husband doesn't mean your not equal to him, you can disagree on things, give your reasoning and your husband must be wise because in the end he must make the final decision.

The reason God makes this rule of order is to keep things civil, it can best be shown in this example. Two cars are traveling side by side down a double lane highway and up ahead it narrows down to one lane, one car must give way to the other car or there is going to be a wreck, God is trying to keep that wreck from happening.

Old Zimm 

That is something I said earlier.  

[gdemoss]

I just meant that if the woman is 'suckling it up'  and able to continuously be godly when the man is a hard cruelish ruler, then woman will have the greater reward, because she acted as she should have, and he didn't.  That is if he knew what he was doing, if not and couldn't see it, I guess we are judged according to what we know, not what we do not know.  

I was being like a nah nah nah, so ha. Lol. To whomever, nobody in particular.   By the way ▪gdmoss▪,  you give lots of good answers in here.  

 

 

It is true!  The woman who puts up with a Lording husband will have a great reward.  Especially if she does what the bible says and simply quietly obeys.  Melissa, my wife, is getting real wise to how 'silence' helps her and that 'speaking' may feel better at times but when I am wrong 'silent obedience' puts me under great conviction from the spirit within me.  The other day she was staring into my eyes seeking to understand where I was coming from.  Just earnestly wanting to know how she was in error.  At that moment through her silent loving gaze I saw something wrong in me and began to confess my error.  Had she challenged me I would have most likely become defensive and sought to shame her through my intellect which is pure pride and evil.  God is doing marvelous things between her and I.  We are both growing and learning daily.  Thanks for the great topics that provoke thought Pamela.  They seem like times you run into honest questions and want answers rather than coming here to show off some mighty biblical brain.  That is very comendable!

[enoob57]

I just meant that if the woman is 'suckling it up'  and able to continuously be godly when the man is a hard cruelish ruler, then woman will have the greater reward, because she acted as she should have, and he didn't.  That is if he knew what he was doing, if not and couldn't see it, I guess we are judged according to what we know, not what we do not know.  

I was being like a nah nah nah, so ha. Lol. To whomever, nobody in particular.   By the way ▪gdmoss▪,  you give lots of good answers in here.  

 

 

It is true!  The woman who puts up with a Lording husband will have a great reward.  Especially if she does what the bible says and simply quietly obeys.  Melissa, my wife, is getting real wise to how 'silence' helps her and that 'speaking' may feel better at times but when I am wrong 'silent obedience' puts me under great conviction from the spirit within me.  The other day she was staring into my eyes seeking to understand where I was coming from.  Just earnestly wanting to know how she was in error.  At that moment through her silent loving gaze I saw something wrong in me and began to confess my error.  Had she challenged me I would have most likely become defensive and sought to shame her through my intellect which is pure pride and evil.  God is doing marvelous things between her and I.  We are both growing and learning daily.  Thanks for the great topics that provoke thought Pamela.  They seem like times you run into honest questions and want answers rather than coming here to show off some mighty biblical brain.  That is very comendable!

I remember praying for this and it is wonderful news   May you two lead many to The Lord!   Love, Steven

[Kan]

On 10/5/2015, 6:03:27, thereselittleflower said:

Well yes they both behaved wrong which is why the human race is fallen.

But both did not equally behave wrong.

The greater fault was Adam's.

The scriptures do not treat all sins as of equal weight.   In the New Testament, we are told this:

1 John 5

16If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 

 

 

 

The way Eve ended up sinning was a different path, but with the same result, so she would have died that day, had not Christ provided a way out for them. The above text does not seem to apply to this situation, otherwise she would have escaped death.

But the scriptures do say that she was deceived, while Adam knew what he was in for and opted to presume that God would let him off the hook.