Junipero Serra declared to be "a saint"

[Guest shiloh357]

Now you can insist that I am wrong, and then that would simply mean you are reading these words without the context of Catholic teaching to interpret them properly, or you can accept that these words don't quite say what they appear to you to be saying on a superficial level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So without formal catholic training on how to interpret properly, i should assume everything I hear the pope say, actually means something he did not say. So, I won't insist your wrong, but I find it odd you think everyone misunderstands what either you clearly say, or the catholic church actually teaches.  Even when documented proof is given, you insist it is a misunderstanding.  

 

It means the wisest course of action is to learn what Catholics mean by the words they use and exercise the wisdom of restraint until you do.

All you have given documented proof of is your misunderstanding of the Pope's words in light of the Catholic faith.

 

 

 

 

And even when the source is other Catholics, your lame response is to assume they were not catechized correctly, as if a convert like you is better trained than people who have been Catholics their whole lives.

[thereselittleflower]

Now you can insist that I am wrong, and then that would simply mean you are reading these words without the context of Catholic teaching to interpret them properly, or you can accept that these words don't quite say what they appear to you to be saying on a superficial level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So without formal catholic training on how to interpret properly, i should assume everything I hear the pope say, actually means something he did not say. So, I won't insist your wrong, but I find it odd you think everyone misunderstands what either you clearly say, or the catholic church actually teaches.  Even when documented proof is given, you insist it is a misunderstanding.  

 

It means the wisest course of action is to learn what Catholics mean by the words they use and exercise the wisdom of restraint until you do.

All you have given documented proof of is your misunderstanding of the Pope's words in light of the Catholic faith.

 

 

 

 

And even when the source is other Catholics, your lame response is to assume they were not catechized correctly, as if a convert like you is better trained than people who have been Catholics their whole lives.

You have yet to prove the Catholics you spoke with actually understood their faith.

I have seen no proof of anything Shiloh, just hatred.  

Hatred is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

May God rebuke you.

 

I am praying for you, for God to heal your heart.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest shiloh357]

Now you can insist that I am wrong, and then that would simply mean you are reading these words without the context of Catholic teaching to interpret them properly, or you can accept that these words don't quite say what they appear to you to be saying on a superficial level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So without formal catholic training on how to interpret properly, i should assume everything I hear the pope say, actually means something he did not say. So, I won't insist your wrong, but I find it odd you think everyone misunderstands what either you clearly say, or the catholic church actually teaches.  Even when documented proof is given, you insist it is a misunderstanding.  

 

It means the wisest course of action is to learn what Catholics mean by the words they use and exercise the wisdom of restraint until you do.

All you have given documented proof of is your misunderstanding of the Pope's words in light of the Catholic faith.

 

 

 

 

And even when the source is other Catholics, your lame response is to assume they were not catechized correctly, as if a convert like you is better trained than people who have been Catholics their whole lives.

You have yet to prove the Catholics you spoke with actually understood their faith.

I have seen no proof of anything Shiloh, just hatred.  

Hatred is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

May God rebuke you.

 

I am praying for you, for God to heal your heart.

 

 

 

 

That only makes my point.   You harp on other people about how fallible they are, but hold yourself up  as some infallible source of information.   The Catholic faith is no faith at all.  It is a dead religion a hellish cult and Christless institution.   I hate its teachings because I hate what Jesus hates.

Edited September 29, 2015 by shiloh357

[hmbld]

Now you can insist that I am wrong, and then that would simply mean you are reading these words without the context of Catholic teaching to interpret them properly, or you can accept that these words don't quite say what they appear to you to be saying on a superficial level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So without formal catholic training on how to interpret properly, i should assume everything I hear the pope say, actually means something he did not say. So, I won't insist your wrong, but I find it odd you think everyone misunderstands what either you clearly say, or the catholic church actually teaches.  Even when documented proof is given, you insist it is a misunderstanding.  

 

It means the wisest course of action is to learn what Catholics mean by the words they use and exercise the wisdom of restraint until you do.

All you have given documented proof of is your misunderstanding of the Pope's words in light of the Catholic faith.

 

 

 

 

I see.  So then why does the pope speak to the world then if only a catholic can understand his meaning? Does this "misunderstanding" manner of defense of unbiblical prayers to relics or canonized saints actually work?

Was he speaking to the world?  I thought he was praying and speaking to God?

What you consider unbibllical, the very Early Church believed and taught as truth and in keeping with the scriptures.

 

 

 

Ok.  I'm not sure what my attitude has been, argumentative, condescending maybe, I apologize.  I find all this to be a distraction and nothing good.  

[thereselittleflower]

Now you can insist that I am wrong, and then that would simply mean you are reading these words without the context of Catholic teaching to interpret them properly, or you can accept that these words don't quite say what they appear to you to be saying on a superficial level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So without formal catholic training on how to interpret properly, i should assume everything I hear the pope say, actually means something he did not say. So, I won't insist your wrong, but I find it odd you think everyone misunderstands what either you clearly say, or the catholic church actually teaches.  Even when documented proof is given, you insist it is a misunderstanding.  

 

It means the wisest course of action is to learn what Catholics mean by the words they use and exercise the wisdom of restraint until you do.

All you have given documented proof of is your misunderstanding of the Pope's words in light of the Catholic faith.

 

 

 

 

I see.  So then why does the pope speak to the world then if only a catholic can understand his meaning? Does this "misunderstanding" manner of defense of unbiblical prayers to relics or canonized saints actually work?

Was he speaking to the world?  I thought he was praying and speaking to God?

What you consider unbibllical, the very Early Church believed and taught as truth and in keeping with the scriptures.

 

 

 

Ok.  I'm not sure what my attitude has been, argumentative, condescending maybe, I apologize.  I find all this to be a distraction and nothing good.  

Many people have strong biases against the Catholic Church based on misunderstandings that are understandable given when they come from.    You're coming from one culture looking at another and seeing things so different it's difficult to make sense of them according to your culture.  That's the way things are when two cultures confront each other.  The way to understand the other culture is to learn about it so you can see how it sees itself, how it works, how it uses words, etc.

Until that happens, there is no way for you to look at it from the outside and understand what you are seeing.  As long as biases are controlling, you are only going to  be able to see what they allow you to see, and keep you from seeing anything they won't allow you to see.

 

 

 

[FresnoJoe]

Many people have strong biases against the Catholic Church based on misunderstandings that are understandable given when they come from....    

You're coming from one culture looking at another and seeing things so different it's difficult to make sense of them according to your culture....  

That's the way things are when two cultures confront each other....

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Beloved, Is It Cultured

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Or, Is It Just

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

Sour

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Ephesians 4:4-7

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Be Blessed Beloved Daughter Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe