Islamization of America

[Esther4:14]

Thank you other one, I would imagine that your words are very sincere as our discussion did not reflect anything personal prior to the post that I was referring to in my response to Oakwood that was ignored.  You did not say anything that suggested that I was deluded or at risk of having my head chopped off, or at risk of being kidnapped by ISIS.  Therefore, you were not the reason that I felt that I was being stoned throughout the thread and decided to leave the discussion prior to someone not seeming to notice this or choosing to overlook it and continuing to bring it up.  

"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, But he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." (Proverbs 17:9).  

With respect to your opinion that you have just shared with me, and recognizing again that you were not who offended me, I would like to share that the repeated responses towards me after sharing my personal experience further solidifies what I was trying to get across in my first post on repentance in the thread.  It would seem that as Christians, whether you disagree with me or not.  If you see someone who has said what you are in agreement with, and they have already said what you want to say to the person who is sharing a testimony of deliverance from violence, it would seem that someone with discernment to make crucial decisions about the direction the church should take in response to Islam, would know how to do the simple things like not continuing to wound the wounded.  

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed," (Luke 4:18).  

These are just basic things that people do not seem to know; yet, they want to lead us into supporting war with an idolatrous nation; and, I refuse to follow the opinion of people who demonstrate that they are incapable of passing such a simple test as a believer in Christ.  

 

[other one]

when you have been here for a while, if you watch closely you will discover that there are some really smart people here who quite frankly are clueless on how to treat people.    It doesn't make them wrong, or it shouldn't mean that you don't listen to what they have to say, but you also don't have to consider them friends either.   Acquaintances that we can discuss things with.  Do they have a Christian attitude.....   depends on your  definition of a Christian attitude.   All of us have our shortcomings and some here are simply terribly insensitive.  And some of us who have had different walks in life are a bit too sensitive....   and it takes time for us to get to know each other.    I've been here for a bit over 11 years and have seen many people come and go.....    some good, some not so good, but for the most part people worth writing with....     but I would admit that there are people here that I simply don't like        a couple I respect their knowledge but if they moved in next door I'd burn thier house down.......   and if they rebuilt it I'd burn my house down and move...

I do think you for making an issue of the way some people treat others here, but I honestly don't see any way to fix it.....   you will see as time goes along and should be able to just ignore their shortcomings.

[hmbld]

 

Finally, there is a very big difference between being a pacifist who is not aware of a wolf, and someone who wants to seek the Lord's guidance in a deeper way through repentance because of what the prophecy has to teach about the deception that will increase in the last days (Matthew 24:24).  

There are many more reading here than those who post, seemingly in ways to silence you.  Please ignore the mean comments and continue posting.  I am often surprised when so many find violence is THE answer, and i do not agree.  It may be necessary at times, but not the answer.  The answer is following the lead of the Holy Spirit.  I appreciate your talking about importance of repentance, God bless,

[other one]

 

There are many more reading here than those who post, seemingly in ways to silence you.  Please ignore the mean comments and continue posting.  I am often surprised when so many find violence is THE answer, and i do not agree.  It may be necessary at times, but not the answer.  The answer is following the lead of the Holy Spirit.  I appreciate your talking about importance of repentance, God bless,

and if the Holy Spirit tells me to kill radical jihadists....   what then.

[Ezra]

Can we reason together as believers ? 

Yes we can, and we all should get away from the personal attacks which are unprofitable.

The issue facing Christians throughout the world today is how should they respond to the demonic attacks of radical Islamist Jihadis who are essentially devoid of all humanity and have a clear cut agenda of destroying America, the free world, Christians and Jews?  Islamists believe they are serving Allah, but in fact they are serving Satan, and are controlled by demons (which most of us have not realized). But how else can we understand their brutal and unspeakable atrocities against children, women, and innocent civilian men, as well as everything that is civilized including ancient monuments and artifacts?  The second prong of Jihad is to flood the West with Muslim migrants and destroyed western values and culture by bringing Sharia Law to non-Muslims.

The best example of how Christ dealt with demons (from which we can learn a lesson and apply it here) is the incident with the Gadarene demoniac. There were a legion of demons with this demented soul, and the Lord purposed to cast them out (Mt 8:28-34; Mk 2:3-12; Lk5:18-26).  The demons realized that they were to be cast out so they asked to be allowed into a herd of swine, and the swine and the demons ran violently down a steep place and "perished in the waters".  Thus grace, mercy and peace came to the man who was possessed, but judgment on the demons themselves.

How can this be applied today?

1. The nations of the world must destroy ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and all other Muslims terrorist groups (including Assad's terrorists).

2. Western countries must not allow Muslim migration to continue.

3. The USA must seal its border to all who seek to destroy it.

4. The general populations of western countries must be educated to learn the dangers of Radical Islam.

 

[MorningGlory]

when you have been here for a while, if you watch closely you will discover that there are some really smart people here who quite frankly are clueless on how to treat people.    It doesn't make them wrong, or it shouldn't mean that you don't listen to what they have to say, but you also don't have to consider them friends either.   Acquaintances that we can discuss things with.  Do they have a Christian attitude.....   depends on your  definition of a Christian attitude.   All of us have our shortcomings and some here are simply terribly insensitive.  And some of us who have had different walks in life are a bit too sensitive....   and it takes time for us to get to know each other.    I've been here for a bit over 11 years and have seen many people come and go.....    some good, some not so good, but for the most part people worth writing with....     but I would admit that there are people here that I simply don't like        a couple I respect their knowledge but if they moved in next door I'd burn thier house down.......   and if they rebuilt it I'd burn my house down and move...

I do think you for making an issue of the way some people treat others here, but I honestly don't see any way to fix it.....   you will see as time goes along and should be able to just ignore their shortcomings.

Burn their house down?  Yikes, I sure don't want to get on your bad side.  Again that is.    Or move in next door to you either!!

[Esther4:14]

Can we reason together as believers ? 

Yes we can, and we all should get away from the personal attacks which are unprofitable.

The issue facing Christians throughout the world today is how should they respond to the demonic attacks of radical Islamist Jihadis who are essentially devoid of all humanity and have a clear cut agenda of destroying America, the free world, Christians and Jews?  Islamists believe they are serving Allah, but in fact they are serving Satan, and are controlled by demons (which most of us have not realized). But how else can we understand their brutal and unspeakable atrocities against children, women, and innocent civilian men, as well as everything that is civilized including ancient monuments and artifacts?  The second prong of Jihad is to flood the West with Muslim migrants and destroyed western values and culture by bringing Sharia Law to non-Muslims.

The best example of how Christ dealt with demons (from which we can learn a lesson and apply it here) is the incident with the Gadarene demoniac. There were a legion of demons with this demented soul, and the Lord purposed to cast them out (Mt 8:28-34; Mk 2:3-12; Lk5:18-26).  The demons realized that they were to be cast out so they asked to be allowed into a herd of swine, and the swine and the demons ran down a steep place and "perished in the waters".  Thus grace, mercy and peace came to the man who was possessed, but judgment on the demons themselves.

How can this be applied today?

1. The nations of the world must destroy ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and all other Muslims terrorist groups (including Assad's terrorists).

2. Western countries must not allow Muslim migration to continue.

3. The USA must seal its border to all who seek to destroy it.

4. The general populations of western countries must to educated yo learn the dangers of Radical Islam.

 

I agree with everything you say until you start trying to apply this principle to today.  The demons were terrified of Jesus and did not want to be in His presence.  The presence of Jesus is repellent to the presence of demons and when the disciples had difficulty doing this same thing, Jesus told them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.…(Matthew 17:19).  Therefore, we should work on the basic principles because simple things require more faith sometimes, and we would repel demons.  

I also will say again that I don't disagree with keeping Islam out of the US because it would be ideal to be under His authority alone and in His kingdom.  But, the method that we approach this subject should start with principles of repentance and faith.  Unfortunately, all the faith in the world will not inevitably protect us from the coming judgement.  This judgement that is coming cannot be avoided.  It is His will.  Therefore, I would caution the assumption that we are capable of waging war to prevent the inevitable.  There are other methods of fighting a spiritual battle that we have as believers in Christ than using what is available to us in the material world we are temporary residents of.  

[hmbld]

 

There are many more reading here than those who post, seemingly in ways to silence you.  Please ignore the mean comments and continue posting.  I am often surprised when so many find violence is THE answer, and i do not agree.  It may be necessary at times, but not the answer.  The answer is following the lead of the Holy Spirit.  I appreciate your talking about importance of repentance, God bless,

and if the Holy Spirit tells me to kill radical jihadists....   what then.

Ahh, I figured you would talk to me again!  My answer is only a question, what if the Holy Spirit leads you another direction, are you prepared?  I only ask because many times the words used make it sound like certain people have their minds made up already, and that is what I object to, along with the criticism of those who disagree.  

[OakWood]

As believers in Jesus, of course no one wants to see this happen.  I am a believer because I love the way that the Bible teaches us that He leads people.  There is no one else like Him.  I would never want to follow anyone else for anything in the world.  There is no one else like Him.  It deserves to be said twice.  However, as a result of my high opinion for His leadership, I believe that this article only displays more reason to love others more and to make sure that our hearts are right with Him because things like this are happening around us.  Sometimes it is the simple things that require the most faith.  

I like to take personal inventory by journaling about my struggles with pride, and being frustrated with others, and things people have done that hurt me.  I am continually amazed how He shows His love for me when I do these simple things that mean nothing to anyone else.  It is foolishness to a person without the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14).  But, it has been the most effective approach I have found to finding life and having it more abundantly (John 10:10).  

Scripture says the "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8).  "He who loves purity of heart, and whose speech is gracious, will have the king as his friend," (Proverbs 22:11).  "Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16).  

From my experience, it takes more faith to depend on His protection resulting from a pure heart than it does to try and gather votes from a soap box.  I am willing to bet that the method that requires more faith will lead to greater rewards.

However, from the looks of it, many appear to have lost their first love.  "Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place." (Revelation 2:4-5).  

In conclusion, when fighting a spiritual battle such as this; as Christians, we do three simple things.  We love more, we confess our sins, and we wait in confidence that He is faithful and just to deliver us (1 John 1:9).  It is very, very simple.  Anyone, making it more complicated than this, is not teaching from the Gospel.  

 

You probably mean well Esther but your opinion is naïve and so misguided   I'm sure people having your attitude  would be a great comfort to the captured, terrorized, tortured, raped, sexually enslaved, crucified, and persecuted Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria. 

Or going back to Germany would you have stood against Nazism when you saw it gathering power?  would you have tried to warn others of the dangers of the Nazi Party?  Would you have stood up for Jews, the homosexuals , the gypsies, anyone else that the Nazi Party hated and went after? would you have risked your life and your family to hide them, or used your money to help the underground? Or would you have waited silently for Jesus to deliver them?

Are you kidding me?  This has to be about the most insulting, degrading, and foul response that I have ever heard from another Christian in my entire life.  Let me explain to you something.  You do not know me.  You do not know the battles that I have already overcome.  I grew up around severe abuse already.  I have been raped throughout my childhood you completely disrespectful person.  Maybe you should slow your roll before you go about talking about things you don't know about because I already know from experience about many of the things you listed.  You don't know about them, which is why you would speak carelessly about them and I would never that do that.  

It is a wonder people become Muslim when there are people like you in the church.  I could be angry every day of my life, but I have learned that it takes more strength to have faith and show love towards others than you have in your pinky finger apparently.  When did Jesus ever talk to someone this way.  This is why I follow Him and not you.  

I do stand against something with faith.  Therefore, comments comparing me to the apathy in Germany is ridiculous and insulting.  They continued in their daily lives in arrogance.  I specifically said effective faith required taking a personal inventory and confessing sin.  This is the way He will deliver us; or He could if this apostate, militant Christianity weren't spreading like wildfire.  Why don't we all go burn down a mosque and sing hymns.  What a stand we would make for Jesus that way.  He would be so proud! 

Jesus says to become as living sacrifices (Romans 12:1).  That is what I am supposed to do.   I can support what I said with scripture.  You can't support anything that you just said to me in your self righteous rant.  Understanding and applying scripture is not naivete.   Waving your little militant Christian flag around as though He is proud of you is naive.  

"The naive inherit foolishness, But the sensible are crowned with knowledge." (Proverbs 14:18).  

Christians are meant to stand against evil. Your pacifist words are foolish. If all Christians were like you, Christianity would have gone extinct years ago and Christ would have died for nothing. Have you forgotten the Crusades? If we did not drive the Muslims out of Europe centuries ago we would all be reading the Q'uran by now.

 

I don't know if you have noticed, but I have ignored 5 responses in this thread directed at me with similar comments to what you are saying.  So, let me ask you something.  What is your real motivation for throwing yet another stone at me?  Do you not think that the 5 that have been thrown were enough?  I stopped sharing and responding in this thread because a while back, I responded to Davida about my personal experience with violence and the way that this influences my opinion towards the subject.  I was a victim of severe violence like the violence discussed as the basis for the approach and opinion towards islamization.  

However, instead of finding repentance to be a foundation that we could all agree upon and spread our wings towards finding solutions that did not reflect the opinion that it is okay to act in violence if violence is being used against you, my testimony was buried under criticism and I was told how naive I was and this and that.    

Repentance is a basic precept that is the foundation of everything we do as Christians.  It would be very easy to build upon by suggesting that: through repentance, we make ourselves living offerings capable of knowing His will (Romans 12:1).  In my experience of repentance, the Lord has shown me that it is His will through scripture...  There are just so many better ways to respond to the subject of repentance in response to threat of danger that doesn't jump to the assumption that I am deluded and don't know what I am talking about and I better rebuke her quickly to protect someone from hearing what she has said even if she is a victim of severe violence or not.  

And, in response to your attack on my call to repentance, which is what I believe every prophet did before the people were taken into captivity.  Every single one said that we should return to the Lord in repentance who can help us and prevent the calamity that will come upon us if we continue down the road we are going.  Citing the crusades as the key to your argument countering mine is an odd choice considering how contrary their approach was to the apostles who built the church with no army...  In fact, Paul was writing letters to the churches when he was in prison, not trying to find a way to escape and form a army against the Romans for their rejection of Christ.  

One of my favorite verses of all time is from Matthew 26:55.  Jesus says, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me."  I have known since the first day I read this verse that there is nothing that can happen to my life before it's time.  I do not need to fear being taken by ISIS if that is not what the Lord has established will happen to me.  For the young girl that I was coming out of a dangerous environment, these words were very comforting.  

Beyond this, the argument for how we should respond to Islam seems to contradict the lessons that we learn from our Savior on the day that He was taken from the cross.  Peter took out his sword and was ready to defend Jesus from being taken and Jesus told him not to this.  So, how do we apply this lesson to our discussion on this subject.  

Additionally, Islam is a idolatrous religion.  Very clear.  I knew this when I was a baby Christian.  They are like Philistines.  David said in response to Goliath, "For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?” (1 Samuel 17:26); and, he successfully defeated the giant with a sling shot (1 Samuel 17:39-51).  The prayer of the righteous man avails much (James 5:16).  

Therefore, we should be looking at ways that we are being deceived rather than distracted by uncircumcised Philistines, so to speak.  

For instance, the name ISIS implies to me that they are in alliance with someone that is not from Islam.  What does the name of the Egyptian god Isis have to do with Islam, especially when they are so adamant about there only being one god and his name being Allah.  Therefore, ISIS seems to be like the street dealers that get arrested rather than the main dealer.  They are like someone's middle men or scapegoat so that they will continue to appear clean.  ISIS is like someone's whitewash (Matthew 23:25).  My guess is that they are in alliance with someone who is promoting that the story of the virgin birth is plagiarized from the Egyptian myth of Isis.  So, there are different ways that this is a strategy to recruit people to think a certain way that would take too long to fully develop here.  There is the group of Zeitgeist fans for example, who do not follow mainstream media.  Therefore, they integrate this message of Isis in a presentation that tickles the ears of the ones who suspect that 9/11 was an inside job.  They are going to see the threat of ISIS differently than Christians who think that things like Zeitgeist are conspiracy theories.  But, through it all, there will be able to be a way to control the opinion of everyone in order to achieve a certain goal.  They are also able to control and develop a profile of what a person who professes to be Christian believes to a certain extent.  Like a international dating service.  They can populate a few interests and predict how you will behave if you are given certain information.  Therefore, rather than confirming their opinion of you as militant Christians who see idolatrous groups as a threat to their freedom, maybe it is time to start considering how we walk away from all of  this and "come out her my people" (Revelation 18:4) because we are starting to sound like a nation of drunkards (Revelation 18:3).  

We also seem to forget that the Spanish-American war was incited by the media. In other words, we went to war because of what the media was teaching us about the enemy.  But, that doesn't happen anymore in a world that is even much more secular than it was before?  

I also believe that Hitler's propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" is a very sobering reminder of how nationalism can garner support for praising wickedness.  Who is the real enemy?  ISIS or the leader telling us when we need to go to war with the threat that the media has created.  

Finally, there is a very big difference between being a pacifist who is not aware of a wolf, and someone who wants to seek the Lord's guidance in a deeper way through repentance because of what the prophecy has to teach about the deception that will increase in the last days (Matthew 24:24).  

What does the name of the Egyptian god have to do with Islam? Well, Isis is an acronym. It was not meant to be called Isis.... that's just a coincidence.

Or is it? Even if it is deliberate. Let's ask the question again. What does the name of the Egyptian god have to do with Islam?

Answer: It's the same god.

Allah, the god of Islam is none other than Baal. It is the same crescent moon that is used as a symbol. All false gods come from Satan. Whether it be Quetzalcoatl, Isis, Set, Shiva, Baal, Zeus or Allah.

Allah was a Pagan  Moon god long before Mohammed was born. The Black stone of Allah (which is housed in the Kaaba in Mecca is a meteorite. We know that much.

It fell from the sky which is probably why people started worshipping it in the first place. Although Western forensic experts have been forbidden from analysing it by the Saudi government, we know that it is a meteorite. Muslim documents tell us this.

It dates back centuries - possibly Millennia. Allah was the god of the Q'araysh tribe which was Mohammed's own tribe. Mohammed usurped the god and made it his own, declaring it to be the god of Islam and with great blasphemy he declared it to be the god of Abraham too. He declared that Jesus was just a prophet of Islam, did not die on the cross and was not the son of God. He denied that Jesus was the Messiah. Considering that the death and resurrection is ESSENTIAL to salvation, to deny the deity of Jesus Christ is the work of Satan.

Islam is Satanism under another name. It is religion of deception. It is Satan's most powerful religion on Earth, more powerful than any of his other religions. We are warned by the Bible to beware of false prophets and that we shall know them by their fruit. Despite the Muslim claim that Islam is a religion of peace, reality tells us otherwise. The fruits of Mohammed's teachings are terrorism, murder, rape, enslavement, theft and lies.

We do not need to find a connection between Isis and the Egyptian god. ISIS, the terrorist organisation are practising true Islam.. They are the 'real' Muslims. They follow the teachings of the Q'uran as it should be followed. The Q'uran teaches war, conquest and subjugation.

As for Hitler, well he was a great admirer of the religion of Islam. He even had a Muslim Arab leader named Amin al-Husseini to help him plot the Holocaust!

Where is scripture to support your views.  I have seen many people talking about this subject, but they never use scripture.  Maybe it is because scripture does not support this militant view that people have towards Islam.  It might be more effective if we had more consideration for the oppressed and the broken hearted, which I am, which you do not seem to be concerned with at all because you completely ignored the acknowledgment I gave to being the sixth person to throw a stone at me post contributing my own experience with violence.  I am thinking that this is a giant red flag.  It is really a sad show of Christianity throughout this thread.  

Scripture supports it. You want scripture? Here is scripture. Remember that Mohammed was born in 570 AD and died in 632 AD - five hundred years after the Bible was completed, so the Bible predicts the future for us.

Mohammed claimed that Jesus was not the Messiah, nor was he the son of God.

Here's what the Bible says:

Who is the liar? It is the man that denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son

1st John 2:22-23

Mohammed claimed to receive a revelation from an angel who was speaking for God. The revelation he received was an alternative to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that Jews and Christians had changed and corrupted the Bible and that Islam was the original true word of God. Mohammed was a liar. The Bible warns us about those who try to bring an alternative gospel in place of the true one.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

The mere fact that YOU ASK ME TO PROVIDE SCRIPTURE TO DISCLAIM A FALSE RELIGION IS SHOCKING. Do you believe in the Bible or not. Why should I be asked to use scripture to discredit anything that is not from God?
 

Edited September 28, 2015 by OakWood

[OakWood]

As believers in Jesus, of course no one wants to see this happen.  I am a believer because I love the way that the Bible teaches us that He leads people.  There is no one else like Him.  I would never want to follow anyone else for anything in the world.  There is no one else like Him.  It deserves to be said twice.  However, as a result of my high opinion for His leadership, I believe that this article only displays more reason to love others more and to make sure that our hearts are right with Him because things like this are happening around us.  Sometimes it is the simple things that require the most faith.  

I like to take personal inventory by journaling about my struggles with pride, and being frustrated with others, and things people have done that hurt me.  I am continually amazed how He shows His love for me when I do these simple things that mean nothing to anyone else.  It is foolishness to a person without the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14).  But, it has been the most effective approach I have found to finding life and having it more abundantly (John 10:10).  

Scripture says the "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8).  "He who loves purity of heart, and whose speech is gracious, will have the king as his friend," (Proverbs 22:11).  "Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16).  

From my experience, it takes more faith to depend on His protection resulting from a pure heart than it does to try and gather votes from a soap box.  I am willing to bet that the method that requires more faith will lead to greater rewards.

However, from the looks of it, many appear to have lost their first love.  "Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place." (Revelation 2:4-5).  

In conclusion, when fighting a spiritual battle such as this; as Christians, we do three simple things.  We love more, we confess our sins, and we wait in confidence that He is faithful and just to deliver us (1 John 1:9).  It is very, very simple.  Anyone, making it more complicated than this, is not teaching from the Gospel.  

 

You probably mean well Esther but your opinion is naïve and so misguided   I'm sure people having your attitude  would be a great comfort to the captured, terrorized, tortured, raped, sexually enslaved, crucified, and persecuted Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria. 

Or going back to Germany would you have stood against Nazism when you saw it gathering power?  would you have tried to warn others of the dangers of the Nazi Party?  Would you have stood up for Jews, the homosexuals , the gypsies, anyone else that the Nazi Party hated and went after? would you have risked your life and your family to hide them, or used your money to help the underground? Or would you have waited silently for Jesus to deliver them?

Are you kidding me?  This has to be about the most insulting, degrading, and foul response that I have ever heard from another Christian in my entire life.  Let me explain to you something.  You do not know me.  You do not know the battles that I have already overcome.  I grew up around severe abuse already.  I have been raped throughout my childhood you completely disrespectful person.  Maybe you should slow your roll before you go about talking about things you don't know about because I already know from experience about many of the things you listed.  You don't know about them, which is why you would speak carelessly about them and I would never that do that.  

It is a wonder people become Muslim when there are people like you in the church.  I could be angry every day of my life, but I have learned that it takes more strength to have faith and show love towards others than you have in your pinky finger apparently.  When did Jesus ever talk to someone this way.  This is why I follow Him and not you.  

I do stand against something with faith.  Therefore, comments comparing me to the apathy in Germany is ridiculous and insulting.  They continued in their daily lives in arrogance.  I specifically said effective faith required taking a personal inventory and confessing sin.  This is the way He will deliver us; or He could if this apostate, militant Christianity weren't spreading like wildfire.  Why don't we all go burn down a mosque and sing hymns.  What a stand we would make for Jesus that way.  He would be so proud! 

Jesus says to become as living sacrifices (Romans 12:1).  That is what I am supposed to do.   I can support what I said with scripture.  You can't support anything that you just said to me in your self righteous rant.  Understanding and applying scripture is not naivete.   Waving your little militant Christian flag around as though He is proud of you is naive.  

"The naive inherit foolishness, But the sensible are crowned with knowledge." (Proverbs 14:18).  

Christians are meant to stand against evil. Your pacifist words are foolish. If all Christians were like you, Christianity would have gone extinct years ago and Christ would have died for nothing. Have you forgotten the Crusades? If we did not drive the Muslims out of Europe centuries ago we would all be reading the Q'uran by now.

 

I don't know if you have noticed, but I have ignored 5 responses in this thread directed at me with similar comments to what you are saying.  So, let me ask you something.  What is your real motivation for throwing yet another stone at me?  Do you not think that the 5 that have been thrown were enough?  I stopped sharing and responding in this thread because a while back, I responded to Davida about my personal experience with violence and the way that this influences my opinion towards the subject.  I was a victim of severe violence like the violence discussed as the basis for the approach and opinion towards islamization.  

However, instead of finding repentance to be a foundation that we could all agree upon and spread our wings towards finding solutions that did not reflect the opinion that it is okay to act in violence if violence is being used against you, my testimony was buried under criticism and I was told how naive I was and this and that.    

Repentance is a basic precept that is the foundation of everything we do as Christians.  It would be very easy to build upon by suggesting that: through repentance, we make ourselves living offerings capable of knowing His will (Romans 12:1).  In my experience of repentance, the Lord has shown me that it is His will through scripture...  There are just so many better ways to respond to the subject of repentance in response to threat of danger that doesn't jump to the assumption that I am deluded and don't know what I am talking about and I better rebuke her quickly to protect someone from hearing what she has said even if she is a victim of severe violence or not.  

And, in response to your attack on my call to repentance, which is what I believe every prophet did before the people were taken into captivity.  Every single one said that we should return to the Lord in repentance who can help us and prevent the calamity that will come upon us if we continue down the road we are going.  Citing the crusades as the key to your argument countering mine is an odd choice considering how contrary their approach was to the apostles who built the church with no army...  In fact, Paul was writing letters to the churches when he was in prison, not trying to find a way to escape and form a army against the Romans for their rejection of Christ.  

One of my favorite verses of all time is from Matthew 26:55.  Jesus says, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me."  I have known since the first day I read this verse that there is nothing that can happen to my life before it's time.  I do not need to fear being taken by ISIS if that is not what the Lord has established will happen to me.  For the young girl that I was coming out of a dangerous environment, these words were very comforting.  

Beyond this, the argument for how we should respond to Islam seems to contradict the lessons that we learn from our Savior on the day that He was taken from the cross.  Peter took out his sword and was ready to defend Jesus from being taken and Jesus told him not to this.  So, how do we apply this lesson to our discussion on this subject.  

Additionally, Islam is a idolatrous religion.  Very clear.  I knew this when I was a baby Christian.  They are like Philistines.  David said in response to Goliath, "For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?” (1 Samuel 17:26); and, he successfully defeated the giant with a sling shot (1 Samuel 17:39-51).  The prayer of the righteous man avails much (James 5:16).  

Therefore, we should be looking at ways that we are being deceived rather than distracted by uncircumcised Philistines, so to speak.  

For instance, the name ISIS implies to me that they are in alliance with someone that is not from Islam.  What does the name of the Egyptian god Isis have to do with Islam, especially when they are so adamant about there only being one god and his name being Allah.  Therefore, ISIS seems to be like the street dealers that get arrested rather than the main dealer.  They are like someone's middle men or scapegoat so that they will continue to appear clean.  ISIS is like someone's whitewash (Matthew 23:25).  My guess is that they are in alliance with someone who is promoting that the story of the virgin birth is plagiarized from the Egyptian myth of Isis.  So, there are different ways that this is a strategy to recruit people to think a certain way that would take too long to fully develop here.  There is the group of Zeitgeist fans for example, who do not follow mainstream media.  Therefore, they integrate this message of Isis in a presentation that tickles the ears of the ones who suspect that 9/11 was an inside job.  They are going to see the threat of ISIS differently than Christians who think that things like Zeitgeist are conspiracy theories.  But, through it all, there will be able to be a way to control the opinion of everyone in order to achieve a certain goal.  They are also able to control and develop a profile of what a person who professes to be Christian believes to a certain extent.  Like a international dating service.  They can populate a few interests and predict how you will behave if you are given certain information.  Therefore, rather than confirming their opinion of you as militant Christians who see idolatrous groups as a threat to their freedom, maybe it is time to start considering how we walk away from all of  this and "come out her my people" (Revelation 18:4) because we are starting to sound like a nation of drunkards (Revelation 18:3).  

We also seem to forget that the Spanish-American war was incited by the media. In other words, we went to war because of what the media was teaching us about the enemy.  But, that doesn't happen anymore in a world that is even much more secular than it was before?  

I also believe that Hitler's propaganda film "Triumph of the Will" is a very sobering reminder of how nationalism can garner support for praising wickedness.  Who is the real enemy?  ISIS or the leader telling us when we need to go to war with the threat that the media has created.  

Finally, there is a very big difference between being a pacifist who is not aware of a wolf, and someone who wants to seek the Lord's guidance in a deeper way through repentance because of what the prophecy has to teach about the deception that will increase in the last days (Matthew 24:24).  

What does the name of the Egyptian god have to do with Islam? Well, Isis is an acronym. It was not meant to be called Isis.... that's just a coincidence.

Or is it? Even if it is deliberate. Let's ask the question again. What does the name of the Egyptian god have to do with Islam?

Answer: It's the same god.

Allah, the god of Islam is none other than Baal. It is the same crescent moon that is used as a symbol. All false gods come from Satan. Whether it be Quetzalcoatl, Isis, Set, Shiva, Baal, Zeus or Allah.

Allah was a Pagan  Moon god long before Mohammed was born. The Black stone of Allah (which is housed in the Kaaba in Mecca is a meteorite. We know that much.

It fell from the sky which is probably why people started worshipping it in the first place. Although Western forensic experts have been forbidden from analysing it by the Saudi government, we know that it is a meteorite. Muslim documents tell us this.

It dates back centuries - possibly Millennia. Allah was the god of the Q'araysh tribe which was Mohammed's own tribe. Mohammed usurped the god and made it his own, declaring it to be the god of Islam and with great blasphemy he declared it to be the god of Abraham too. He declared that Jesus was just a prophet of Islam, did not die on the cross and was not the son of God. He denied that Jesus was the Messiah. Considering that the death and resurrection is ESSENTIAL to salvation, to deny the deity of Jesus Christ is the work of Satan.

Islam is Satanism under another name. It is religion of deception. It is Satan's most powerful religion on Earth, more powerful than any of his other religions. We are warned by the Bible to beware of false prophets and that we shall know them by their fruit. Despite the Muslim claim that Islam is a religion of peace, reality tells us otherwise. The fruits of Mohammed's teachings are terrorism, murder, rape, enslavement, theft and lies.

We do not need to find a connection between Isis and the Egyptian god. ISIS, the terrorist organisation are practising true Islam.. They are the 'real' Muslims. They follow the teachings of the Q'uran as it should be followed. The Q'uran teaches war, conquest and subjugation.

As for Hitler, well he was a great admirer of the religion of Islam. He even had a Muslim Arab leader named Amin al-Husseini to help him plot the Holocaust!

Where is scripture to support your views.  I have seen many people talking about this subject, but they never use scripture.  Maybe it is because scripture does not support this militant view that people have towards Islam.  It might be more effective if we had more consideration for the oppressed and the broken hearted, which I am, which you do not seem to be concerned with at all because you completely ignored the acknowledgment I gave to being the sixth person to throw a stone at me post contributing my own experience with violence.  I am thinking that this is a giant red flag.  It is really a sad show of Christianity throughout this thread.  

Scripture supports it. You want scripture? Here is scripture. Remember that Mohammed was born in 570 AD and died in 632 AD - five hundred years after the Bible was completed, so the Bible predicts the future for us.

Mohammed claimed that Jesus was not the Messiah, nor was he the son of God.

Here's what the Bible says:

Who is the liar? It is the man that denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son

1st John 2:22-23

Mohammed claimed to receive a revelation from an angel who was speaking for God. The revelation he received was an alternative to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that Jews and Christians had changed and corrupted the Bible and that Islam was the original true word of God. Mohammed was a liar. The Bible warns us about those who try to bring an alternative gospel in place of the true one.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

The mere fact that YOU ASK ME TO PROVIDE SCRIPTURE TO DISCLAIM A FALSE RELIGION IS SHOCKING. Do you believe in the Bible or not? Why should I be asked to use scripture to discredit anything that is not from God?