Pope: "Jesus' Cross was a Failure"

[missmuffet]

What do you think of this verse?

Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[a] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

[other one]

The pope is not here as a gospel preacher, he's here as head of state for the Vatican representing about a billion and a half of his citizens scattered across the world.

 

Maybe, just maybe he considered people intelligent enough to understand what it meant by " humanly speaking "

 

Not that I am a fan of the pope considering who I truly believe he works for, but I do like to keep things real.

[thereselittleflower]

 

Even the title of the thread is a lie.

How can it be a lie when it is a direct quote from Pope Francis? I have read the entire text, and he did stop with those very words.  Why don't you go and double-check?  Any genuine Gospel preacher would NEVER stop with such a phrase.  Had the Pope said "In the eyes of the world the Cross was a failure but in the eyes of God and of Christ it was a supreme victory" it would have been totally acceptable.  But he did not say that.  In fact I can quote you his very words that he was preaching Universalism DECEPTIVELY since we both know that according to Catholic teaching there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  It is time to open your eyes to the truth and not try and defend a system which is actually opposed to the Gospel.

The only thing that's not acceptable here is this behavior of continually misquoting the Catholic Church and people within it it, taking their words out of context and making it appear the Catholic Church and Catholics have said something they never said  IN CONTEXT.

 

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church, just the Pope. And for the record, a number of devout Catholics believe him to be a false pope too.

If you read Tom Horn's book "Exo-Vaticana"  you will find that there is a group of Catholics that believe this pope is the last and is setting up for the false prophet or is so himself.   According to several Catholic prophecies combined he is the last pope and very shortly the Vatican and those in it will be destroyed......   and the antichrist will arise to power.

You will be able to find people who believe anything.    That doesn't make it true.   People running after such tales is just as described in the bible 

2 Timothy 4:3

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

 

There are officially recognized prophecies that are very vague and open to different interpretations that suggest there will be a time of tremendous persecution of the Church with many killed for their faith including the Pope  -  notably the 3rd Secret of Fatima.   There are those that are claimed to be prophecies that are not accepted to be genuine yet are promoted by sensationalists as such.

 

 

 

[other one]

 

Even the title of the thread is a lie.

How can it be a lie when it is a direct quote from Pope Francis? I have read the entire text, and he did stop with those very words.  Why don't you go and double-check?  Any genuine Gospel preacher would NEVER stop with such a phrase.  Had the Pope said "In the eyes of the world the Cross was a failure but in the eyes of God and of Christ it was a supreme victory" it would have been totally acceptable.  But he did not say that.  In fact I can quote you his very words that he was preaching Universalism DECEPTIVELY since we both know that according to Catholic teaching there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  It is time to open your eyes to the truth and not try and defend a system which is actually opposed to the Gospel.

The only thing that's not acceptable here is this behavior of continually misquoting the Catholic Church and people within it it, taking their words out of context and making it appear the Catholic Church and Catholics have said something they never said  IN CONTEXT.

 

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church, just the Pope. And for the record, a number of devout Catholics believe him to be a false pope too.

If you read Tom Horn's book "Exo-Vaticana"  you will find that there is a group of Catholics that believe this pope is the last and is setting up for the false prophet or is so himself.   According to several Catholic prophecies combined he is the last pope and very shortly the Vatican and those in it will be destroyed......   and the antichrist will arise to power.

You will be able to find people who believe anything.    That doesn't make it true.   People running after such tales is just as described in the bible 

2 Timothy 4:3

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

 

There are officially recognized prophecies that are very vague and open to different interpretations that suggest there will be a time of tremendous persecution of the Church with many killed for their faith including the Pope  -  notably the 3rd Secret of Fatima.   There are those that are claimed to be prophecies that are not accepted to be genuine yet are promoted by sensationalists as such.

 

 

 

they let Tom and Cris document the Pope's resignation down to the very part of the month and publish it in a book at least a year before hand.....     And Tom will tell you that it wasn't something he got out of the Bible, but the very prophecies from your priests and popes.   So I would not just fluff him off like some kind of a nut.

 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Well, okay. I'm used to being ignored. It is apparently my lot in life, LOL!

[thereselittleflower]

 

Even the title of the thread is a lie.

How can it be a lie when it is a direct quote from Pope Francis? I have read the entire text, and he did stop with those very words.  Why don't you go and double-check?  Any genuine Gospel preacher would NEVER stop with such a phrase.  Had the Pope said "In the eyes of the world the Cross was a failure but in the eyes of God and of Christ it was a supreme victory" it would have been totally acceptable.  But he did not say that.  In fact I can quote you his very words that he was preaching Universalism DECEPTIVELY since we both know that according to Catholic teaching there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  It is time to open your eyes to the truth and not try and defend a system which is actually opposed to the Gospel.

The only thing that's not acceptable here is this behavior of continually misquoting the Catholic Church and people within it it, taking their words out of context and making it appear the Catholic Church and Catholics have said something they never said  IN CONTEXT.

 

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church, just the Pope. And for the record, a number of devout Catholics believe him to be a false pope too.

If you read Tom Horn's book "Exo-Vaticana"  you will find that there is a group of Catholics that believe this pope is the last and is setting up for the false prophet or is so himself.   According to several Catholic prophecies combined he is the last pope and very shortly the Vatican and those in it will be destroyed......   and the antichrist will arise to power.

You will be able to find people who believe anything.    That doesn't make it true.   People running after such tales is just as described in the bible 

2 Timothy 4:3

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

 

There are officially recognized prophecies that are very vague and open to different interpretations that suggest there will be a time of tremendous persecution of the Church with many killed for their faith including the Pope  -  notably the 3rd Secret of Fatima.   There are those that are claimed to be prophecies that are not accepted to be genuine yet are promoted by sensationalists as such.

 

 

 

they let Tom and Cris document the Pope's resignation down to the very part of the month and publish it in a book at least a year before hand.....     And Tom will tell you that it wasn't something he got out of the Bible, but the very prophecies from your priests and popes.   So I would not just fluff him off like some kind of a nut.

 

Anyone can prophecy.  That doesn't mean the prophecy is from God.

Do you realize that just because a prophecy comes true, it doesn't mean it was from God?

 

 

 

 

[other one]

Pope Francis is the failure.

 

I would disagree with that......   he is far from a failure, he just has a much different agenda than most people understand......   he is very intelligent and is accomplishing his agenda very well.

What do you believe is his agenda other one ? ( or is that another topic ) ?

Well, okay. I'm used to being ignored. It is apparently my lot in life, LOL!

Well, I can tell you how that happens, but that in itself would be another thread....    blame it on Oakwood for I answered a thing for him and the software sent me past your post.   It took me five minutes to find what you were talking about LoL.

 

To answer your question, there are prophecies that he and the last three or four popes have been carrying out....   It is his duty from several prophecies to see the destruction of the Vatican and ultimately the Catholic Religion.    He is the last pope.              In the aftermath of what is about to take place in Europe we will see the Antichrist rise to bring peace to the earth and for those that are left, they will demand that he be the leader, then their king and then he will demand deity.

 

From the Vatican's' interest in UFOs and what goes on in places like Mount Graham, they are expecting some ET's to arrive and help the human race to  save itself from destruction.....   and since we know that Satan and his evil brood are scheduled to be kicked out of the heavens soon, it should not be difficult for us to surmise who those ET's might be.  Global powers are fomenting a huge conflagration world wide and it has been set in motion for generations....   it's been documented for generations......     Lucifer copies Gods actions in telling his people what his plans are beforehand also...

The only question is how much of his plan will the Father allow him to complete.......   and by reading just Revelation it appears quite a lot.

So, that's the agenda from my point of view and we'll have to wait til the end of September of 2017 to see if any of it starts.....    but the fighting should be over by then.

 

[other one]

 

Even the title of the thread is a lie.

How can it be a lie when it is a direct quote from Pope Francis? I have read the entire text, and he did stop with those very words.  Why don't you go and double-check?  Any genuine Gospel preacher would NEVER stop with such a phrase.  Had the Pope said "In the eyes of the world the Cross was a failure but in the eyes of God and of Christ it was a supreme victory" it would have been totally acceptable.  But he did not say that.  In fact I can quote you his very words that he was preaching Universalism DECEPTIVELY since we both know that according to Catholic teaching there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  It is time to open your eyes to the truth and not try and defend a system which is actually opposed to the Gospel.

The only thing that's not acceptable here is this behavior of continually misquoting the Catholic Church and people within it it, taking their words out of context and making it appear the Catholic Church and Catholics have said something they never said  IN CONTEXT.

 

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church, just the Pope. And for the record, a number of devout Catholics believe him to be a false pope too.

If you read Tom Horn's book "Exo-Vaticana"  you will find that there is a group of Catholics that believe this pope is the last and is setting up for the false prophet or is so himself.   According to several Catholic prophecies combined he is the last pope and very shortly the Vatican and those in it will be destroyed......   and the antichrist will arise to power.

You will be able to find people who believe anything.    That doesn't make it true.   People running after such tales is just as described in the bible 

2 Timothy 4:3

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

 

There are officially recognized prophecies that are very vague and open to different interpretations that suggest there will be a time of tremendous persecution of the Church with many killed for their faith including the Pope  -  notably the 3rd Secret of Fatima.   There are those that are claimed to be prophecies that are not accepted to be genuine yet are promoted by sensationalists as such.

 

 

 

they let Tom and Cris document the Pope's resignation down to the very part of the month and publish it in a book at least a year before hand.....     And Tom will tell you that it wasn't something he got out of the Bible, but the very prophecies from your priests and popes.   So I would not just fluff him off like some kind of a nut.

 

 

Anyone can prophecy.  That doesn't mean the prophecy is from God.

Do you realize that just because a prophecy comes true, it doesn't mean it was from God?

 

 

 

 

do you understand that I don't believe that the Catholic Church in itself has anything to do with God and hasn't since June of 1963;   and was questionable for many generations prior to that......    though I have Catholic Friends that I consider personally born again Christians.    In my opinion you have many many people who are themselves believers being taught and Shepard by the devil himself.........       and that shows the power of the Holy Spirit in individual lives of people.

You are free to believe what you will, but I've spent literally thousands of hours within both sides of the war between Lucifer and the Father and am very familiar with both sides......     Lucky for me I started out on the wrong side and when the Father set me strait it was to my advantage it worked out that way.

[hmbld]

I'd like to know what was June 1963?

[thereselittleflower]

 

Even the title of the thread is a lie.

How can it be a lie when it is a direct quote from Pope Francis? I have read the entire text, and he did stop with those very words.  Why don't you go and double-check?  Any genuine Gospel preacher would NEVER stop with such a phrase.  Had the Pope said "In the eyes of the world the Cross was a failure but in the eyes of God and of Christ it was a supreme victory" it would have been totally acceptable.  But he did not say that.  In fact I can quote you his very words that he was preaching Universalism DECEPTIVELY since we both know that according to Catholic teaching there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  It is time to open your eyes to the truth and not try and defend a system which is actually opposed to the Gospel.

The only thing that's not acceptable here is this behavior of continually misquoting the Catholic Church and people within it it, taking their words out of context and making it appear the Catholic Church and Catholics have said something they never said  IN CONTEXT.

 

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church, just the Pope. And for the record, a number of devout Catholics believe him to be a false pope too.

If you read Tom Horn's book "Exo-Vaticana"  you will find that there is a group of Catholics that believe this pope is the last and is setting up for the false prophet or is so himself.   According to several Catholic prophecies combined he is the last pope and very shortly the Vatican and those in it will be destroyed......   and the antichrist will arise to power.

You will be able to find people who believe anything.    That doesn't make it true.   People running after such tales is just as described in the bible 

2 Timothy 4:3

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

 

There are officially recognized prophecies that are very vague and open to different interpretations that suggest there will be a time of tremendous persecution of the Church with many killed for their faith including the Pope  -  notably the 3rd Secret of Fatima.   There are those that are claimed to be prophecies that are not accepted to be genuine yet are promoted by sensationalists as such.

 

 

 

they let Tom and Cris document the Pope's resignation down to the very part of the month and publish it in a book at least a year before hand.....     And Tom will tell you that it wasn't something he got out of the Bible, but the very prophecies from your priests and popes.   So I would not just fluff him off like some kind of a nut.

 

 

Anyone can prophecy.  That doesn't mean the prophecy is from God.

Do you realize that just because a prophecy comes true, it doesn't mean it was from God?

 

 

 

 

do you understand that I don't believe that the Catholic Church in itself has anything to do with God and hasn't since June of 1963;   and was questionable for many generations prior to that......    though I have Catholic Friends that I consider personally born again Christians.    In my opinion you have many many people who are themselves believers being taught and Shepard by the devil himself.........       and that shows the power of the Holy Spirit in individual lives of people.

You are free to believe what you will, but I've spent literally thousands of hours within both sides of the war between Lucifer and the Father and am very familiar with both sides......     Lucky for me I started out on the wrong side and when the Father set me strait it was to my advantage it worked out that way.

I am worried for anyone who listens to what fallen angels say and spends so much time dealing with such things.   

I am very worried for you.