Pope does not support Kim Davis

[thereselittleflower]

The point is Steve, you all are ready to castigate a man with NO PROOF that he did anything wrong here.

The burden of proof is on all of you accusing the man, not on me.   

 

This thinly veiled hatred needs to stop imho.
 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Steve_S]

The point is Steve, you all are ready to castigate a man with NO PROOF that he did anything wrong here.

The burden of proof is on all of you accusing the man, not on me.   

 

This thinly veiled hatred needs to stop imho

Accusing me of hating the pope is off base, and quite frankly out of line. You accused Matt Staver of lying as well, why is the burden of proof not on you for that? Should I accuse you of thinly veiled hate because you made this accusation. I do not hate the pope. I think the catholic church dangerous and wrong on several key doctrinal matters, but I do not hate the people who comprise it, nor do I hate the pope. The fact that the vatican is backing away from kim davis is a matter of public record. It is not an accusation. No matter what the reason, they are doing so. I happen to believe it is because american liberals threw a fit, but that is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Steve_S

[thereselittleflower]

 Steve, I am very sorry you are offended by what I said.  My intention was not to offend  you.  I was not pointing the finger at you personally, but at the overall tone of this thread.

The tone of this thread is decidedly hostile, and imho conveys intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility towards Pope Francis, which, by the way is the definition of hate, which is why I used that word.

I am offended by much of what was said in this thread for the reasons I've already outlined -  accusations with no actual proof especially considering there is at least one other issue where this legal team has been involved in a fraudulant claim.  Whether they knew or not is something neither you nor I can prove.  And there is no proof she had an actual private audience.  All we have are claims.  I had no reason to disbelieve either Kim or her lawyers until investigating claims made in this thread.    

I will reserve judgement on the Peru issue for now given I have no actual proof of what happened and there are conflicting claims.

I would ask that everyone else do the same for Pope Francis for the same reasons, for no one has any proof of what happened.

 

 

 

[Steve_S]

 Steve, I am very sorry you are offended by what I said.  My intention was not to offend  you.  I was not pointing the finger at you personally, but at the overall tone of this thread.

The tone of this thread is decidedly hostile, and imho conveys intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility towards Pope Francis, which, by the way is the definition of hate, which is why I used that word.

I am offended by much of what was said in this thread for the reasons I've already outlined -  accusations with no actual proof especially considering there is at least one other issue where this legal team has been involved in a fraudulant claim.  Whether they knew or not is something neither you nor I can prove.  And there is no proof she had an actual private audience.  All we have are claims.  I had no reason to disbelieve either Kim or her lawyers until investigating claims made in this thread.    

I will reserve judgement on the Peru issue for now given I have no actual proof of what happened and there are conflicting claims.

I would ask that everyone else do the same for Pope Francis for the same reasons, for no one has any proof of what happened.

What I have been trying to do this entire time is go simply off public statements, which basically are in the vein of the vatican attempting to distance itself from Davis. It is clear to me from the vatican's statements that they are attempting to do just this.

[Guest shiloh357]

Guys, really? Does no one bother to read what they are quoting?

Now, the Vatican has told the media that his meeting with Davis didn’t act as an endorsement. Davis reportedly visited at the invitation of the Vatican ambassador, but spokesman Federico Lombardi explained, “The pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.” Lombardi said the Vatican felt the need to “clarify” what had happened.

 

He can't possibly know of all the particular details and aspects of her particular situation.  He can't endorse something he doesn't have intimate enough knowledge of.  That would be a supremely stupid thing to do. So the vatican official clarifies what didn't happen in the meeting.

And then the author takes what CBS reported from some unknown, unnamed insider, which are often wrong, as the gospel truth? 

So instead of actually acknowledging the Pope didn't do something he could not do because of LACK of information,  the author spins a tale not supported by actual facts but rather hearsay, conjecture and bigotry?    

This is plain silliness.

Has everyone forgotten the Pope's words on the plane AFTER he met with Kim Davis, supporting EVERYONE'S right to not be coerced to act contrary to their consciences?

 

 

The Pope doesn't have to know every Intimate detail but he is capable of knowing the overall story.   But this is not about what he endorses.   It's the fact that he met with her and lots of people don't like it and so he is trying to save face, by claiming he was manipulated into going, which is a crock.   Either way you slice the story, he is liar.

Shiloh,  bless you.   There is no proof he ever claimed he was manipulated into going.

 

 

That's what the Vatican is claiming.  I assume they have his blessing.  They are claiming  he was exploited in a meeting that should have never happened and that he does not endorse what she did and her opposition to gay marriage.    It's all about face saving, because at the end of the day he is just another Leftist communist/Marxist wearing religious garb.   He is a liar and a Leftist.  Kind of goes together.

No shiloh, that is not what the Vatican is claiming according to that article.   I quoted what the Vatican said according to this article.  The Vatican did not say he was exploited.

What you are referring to is something ELSE the article claimed from some supposed insider reported by CBS, which has no actual evidence to back it up.   It is hearsay - and in a court of law would be tossed out for lack of evidence.

Being quick to believe the worst in others does not exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

 

I quoted what the Vatican said and the Vatican said he was exploited.  That's the word THEY used.   You can try to deny it, but you're either lying or have reading comprehension issues.  The Vatican said he was exploited.   CBS news reported what the Vatican said, and the Vatican issued nothing to correct what CBS reported.

What you have is a Pope who is a Leftist and a politician.   The Left didn't like it that he met with Kim Davis, and so the Vatican had to do damage control because this was going to mar his image and would tarnish his visit.   So suddenly the Pope was "exploited" in order to do a meeting he should have never have agreed to.   That's what politicians  do.   They have their finger in the air and they flip flop to meet public expectations and that is what the Pope and the Vatican is doing here.  Image is everything and the Pope doesn't want to be seen as not supporting gay marriage and cares more about public opinion than he does about persecuted Christians.

He threw Kim Davis under the bus, he ignored the Christian refugees that Obama has in detention and he avoided mentioning the Christians that are suffering deadly persecution in the Middle East.  Environmental issues and Marxist styled communism is far more important to this Pope than the lives of Christians who suffer persecution because of a terrorist group that was allowed by this president to grow in power due to incoherent foreign policies.   This Pope simply ignored the plight of thousands of Christians who are being ignored the world.  

So I am not surprised that the Vatican is trying to deny culpability in the meeting the Pope had with Kim Davis.  He doesn't support Christians under persecution, particularly if that support might damage his unholy, worldly leftist image.    He is a liar and coward.

[Ezra]

On top of everything else, this blatant about-face by the Pope shows this man's lack of character.  And Therese, you don't do yourself any favors by failing to frankly acknowledge things which are true.  Actually it is all Roman Catholics who should be outraged at this. The RCC does not support sexual perversion, and they should call for the dethroning of this man. Kim Davis made a huge mistake by meeting with this leftist liberal.  She is probably kicking herself right now.

 

[*Deidre*]

lol Kim Davis

I'm sooooo tired of hearing and reading about this woman, who became 'famous' for being a hypocrite. She is against homosexual sin, but heterosexual sin gets a pass in her mind's eye. Ugh, I wish the news would stop giving her air time. If this is how she lives her life, not for me to judge, but the fact that she is famous for really doing nothing noteworthy is irritating at this point.

[hmbld]

Pope came, pope met, pope waved, pope gave speeches about worldly stuff. What I want to know is did he at any time point out where our only hope lies?  Pope left. I didn't watch any coverage so maybe I missed him preaching repentance, preaching Jesus.  I hope there was something good in all this!

[*Deidre*]

I watched the mass, and it would seem that he did that, preached about Jesus, etc. But, while I try not to judge his personal faith walk, as a leader of the RCC, he seems to be interested in pleasing everyone. When you follow Jesus, the world will not be accepting of you. If he is looking to gain popular acceptance, so he can 'win' people over to Catholicism, he is missing the mark. He seems somewhat like a PR Manager, looking to make the Church look tolerant and popular, which is fine but shouldn't be the main point he is trying to make. I was a Catholic before I left Christianity, and now returning to it, I can see attending mass again, but I feel more that being a Christian is about celebrating the Holy Spirit in your life, and honoring Jesus, not honoring a Church or Church 'teachings,' or a Pope. 

[Ezra]

Pope came, pope met, pope waved, pope gave speeches about worldly stuff. What I want to know is did he at any time point out where our only hope lies?  Pope left. I didn't watch any coverage so maybe I missed him preaching repentance, preaching Jesus.  I hope there was something good in all this!

What would have helped during this time would probably have ruffled a lot of feathers, but a genuine Gospel preacher not only preaching the true Gospel -- Christ crucified, buried, and resurrected to give sinners the gift of eternal life -- but speaking out publicly on the errors promoted by the Pope.