KPaulG Posted November 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 71 Topic Count: 340 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 16,834 Content Per Day: 4.71 Reputation: 13,549 Days Won: 81 Joined: 07/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/2000 Share Posted November 13, 2015 This message was impressed upon me, as I was in the middle of hearing a sermon regarding the church of Laodicea.....but this passage in regard to the church of Sardis, struck me profoundly. It was a very stark warning that I have seen before, but I had not studied in depth....it is a warning for believers. Rev. 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. Rev. 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame." Sounds familiar, right? Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour a your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. The message is given from Jesus, many times! Mark 13:33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning-- 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" Why is Jesus so fervent about this? Notice the contrast........sleeping/watching. We know it’s not really about “sleeping”, what then? We can also see this message repeated in 1 Thess. 5: 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. Every Christian should take heed. God Bless you. Your brother in Christ,KPaulG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted November 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2015 tshIt is about who can endure the Day of His Coming: Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming," Says the Lord of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire And like launderer's soap. Malachi is prophesying about the first time Christ came into the world. This is completed already, for he has already prepared the way, and is not related to how he comes at the 2nd resurrectionVerse 2 is about the second coming, whoever is not standing in that 1st resurrection is in big trouble. Again it's not about when the earth is melted, not that I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted November 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here. Jesus wanted us to watch, so that we would not be caught off guard...He also wants us to be able to stand and not be troubled in times of trouble.It is coming, and we had better be prepared. We had better not be asleep. In His Love,Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted November 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2015 The belief in the imminent return of Christ by the first Chirstians is indeed NOT a myth my friend.Paul obviously didn't subscribe to it.If Paul did not subscribe to it he would not have used the watchword MARANTHA ( 1Cor 16:22):Maranatha—Syriac for, "the Lord cometh." A motto or watchword to urge them to preparedness for the Lord's coming; as in Php 4:5, "The Lord is at hand." (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Jamieson, Fausset, & Brown).Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Phil 4:5).Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (James 5:8,9) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted November 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Online Share Posted November 13, 2015 The belief in the imminent return of Christ by the first Chirstians is indeed NOT a myth my friend.Paul obviously didn't subscribe to it.If Paul did not subscribe to it he would not have used the watchword MARANTHA ( 1Cor 16:22):Maranatha—Syriac for, "the Lord cometh." A motto or watchword to urge them to preparedness for the Lord's coming; as in Php 4:5, "The Lord is at hand." (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Jamieson, Fausset, & Brown).Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Phil 4:5).Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (James 5:8,9)I will give heed to what Paul said in this verse and not let you deceive me.Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3I will not be hypnotized by your tap-dancing. I will stick to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted November 14, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2015 The belief in the imminent return of Christ by the first Chirstians is indeed NOT a myth my friend.Paul obviously didn't subscribe to it.If Paul did not subscribe to it he would not have used the watchword MARANTHA ( 1Cor 16:22):Maranatha—Syriac for, "the Lord cometh." A motto or watchword to urge them to preparedness for the Lord's coming; as in Php 4:5, "The Lord is at hand." (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Jamieson, Fausset, & Brown).Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Phil 4:5).Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (James 5:8,9)I will give heed to what Paul said in this verse and not let you deceive me.Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3I will not be hypnotized by your tap-dancing. I will stick to the truth.Why do you think he didn't believe the apostasy and man of lawlessness would be revealed imminently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted November 15, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2015 The belief in the imminent return of Christ by the first Chirstians is indeed NOT a myth my friend.Paul obviously didn't subscribe to it.If Paul did not subscribe to it he would not have used the watchword MARANTHA ( 1Cor 16:22):Maranatha—Syriac for, "the Lord cometh." A motto or watchword to urge them to preparedness for the Lord's coming; as in Php 4:5, "The Lord is at hand." (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Jamieson, Fausset, & Brown).Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Phil 4:5).Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (James 5:8,9)I will give heed to what Paul said in this verse and not let you deceive me.Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3I will not be hypnotized by your tap-dancing. I will stick to the truth.Why do you think he didn't believe the apostasy and man of lawlessness would be revealed imminently?What I'm saying is that based on this passage, there are things which must take place before the rapture. Therefore, the rapture is not an imminent event. There are prerequisites.Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3Regarding the resurrection / rapture, the apostasy and a revealing must take place first. Not only does this passage disprove the imminent rapture of the church, it also disproves the church being the restrainer mentioned in verses 6-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted November 15, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2015 The belief in the imminent return of Christ by the first Chirstians is indeed NOT a myth my friend.Paul obviously didn't subscribe to it.If Paul did not subscribe to it he would not have used the watchword MARANTHA ( 1Cor 16:22):Maranatha—Syriac for, "the Lord cometh." A motto or watchword to urge them to preparedness for the Lord's coming; as in Php 4:5, "The Lord is at hand." (Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, Jamieson, Fausset, & Brown).Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Phil 4:5).Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. (James 5:8,9)I will give heed to what Paul said in this verse and not let you deceive me.Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3I will not be hypnotized by your tap-dancing. I will stick to the truth.Why do you think he didn't believe the apostasy and man of lawlessness would be revealed imminently?What I'm saying is that based on this passage, there are things which must take place before the rapture. Therefore, the rapture is not an imminent event. There are prerequisites.Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3Regarding the resurrection / rapture, the apostasy and a revealing must take place first. Not only does this passage disprove the imminent rapture of the church, it also disproves the church being the restrainer mentioned in verses 6-9.I understand what you're saying, but it seems you don't think Paul thought any of those could be imminent. I'm asking why you think Paul did not think they were imminent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted November 15, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted November 15, 2015 What I wonder about the apostles and their thoughts on imminence - weren't they aware that there were some things that would happen, like Peter living to old age before being crucified, the Gospel being preached to the whole world etc, that had to come first? Seems to me that they should have understood, that a day would come, when things are imminent, but it was not in their time as they were writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted November 15, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) What I wonder about the apostles and their thoughts on imminence - weren't they aware that there were some things that would happen, like Peter living to old age before being crucified, the Gospel being preached to the whole world etc, that had to come first? Seems to me that they should have understood, that a day would come, when things are imminent, but it was not in their time as they were writing.I would think it would depend on what they understood the whole world to mean. Did they understand it to mean the known world, which the gospel was preached to in the first century. Peter died before 70 AD. So this would all have had the sense of imminence. Edited November 15, 2015 by thereselittleflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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