Once Saved , Always Saved ?

[SINNERSAVED]

I don't know if this topic has gone around, but it is interesting that there is a common debate on this , once saved always saved, I have

been told once saved always saved, by my church I used to go to ,and many Christians ,even on Christian talk radio, ? would i be wrong by opposing this view ?

  

[other one]

Let me save you about two hundred pages of ugly attitudes after the first 25 pages.

It all boils down to no one knowing who is and who is not saved at any time......    so you can not know if someone is/was or can be saved and loose that salvation.  Always boils down to was the person saved in the first place and neither you nor I nor anyone alive on this planet that could tell us that.

[angels4u]

9 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

I don't know if this topic has gone around, but it is interesting that there is a common debate on this , once saved always saved, I have

been told once saved always saved, by my church I used to go to ,and many Christians ,even on Christian talk radio, ? would i be wrong by opposing this view ?

  

If you look back you will see this topic is discussed to no end..and you probably will find your answer in there?

Are you doubting yourself?

[SINNERSAVED]

34 minutes ago, angels4u said:

If you look back you will see this topic is discussed to no end..and you probably will find your answer in there?

Are you doubting yourself?

no I have no doubt of my salvation,,but I am looking for scripture to confim or deny this belief,

for I will agree with otherone, that it really depends if the person was really saved from the beginning, that makes the most sense, I know that there are many in the end that turn away or fall away from the faith, but I was curios to know if those where ,those that thought they were saved ? but did not really live as believers,

[SINNERSAVED]

that was a awesome ,explanation of this topic, and I really appreciate that, !,

 I will copy this for my notes and meditate on it , thank you for your advise again, for I know this will also help a lot of other people,

thank you again Butero,  and Gods blessing to you.

[angels4u]

41 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

no I have no doubt of my salvation,,but I am looking for scripture to confim or deny this belief,

for I will agree with otherone, that it really depends if the person was really saved from the beginning, that makes the most sense, I know that there are many in the end that turn away or fall away from the faith, but I was curios to know if those where ,those that thought they were saved ? but did not really live as believers,

I believe if you are saved you are saved forever, the people who think they can fall away are the people not really saved from the beginning and only God knows our heart,what God do we serve who is not able to keep us until the end? If we are really saved we would not want to sin but we are still sinning as long as we are living on this earth but God will forgive us if we ask. Salvation is free and only through grace so nobody can boast about their works.Our works are the fruits of desire to live our life for Jesus who paid and bought us with such a high price,I am hidden in Him and nobody can pluck me out of His hands. Thank you Jesus the keeper of my soul..

[SINNERSAVED]

3 minutes ago, angels4u said:

I believe if you are saved you are saved forever, the people who think they can fall away are the people not really saved from the beginning and only God knows our heart,what God do we serve who is not able to keep us until the end? If we are really saved we would not want to sin but we are still sinning as long as we are living on this earth but God will forgive us if we ask. Salvation is free and only through grace so nobody can boast about their works.Our works are the fruits of desire to live our life for Jesus who paid and bought us with such a high price,I am hidden in Him and nobody can pluck me out of His hands. Thank you Jesus the keeper of my soul..

I am 100 % in agreement with you , and it is My same thoughts , thank you for sharing that Angels4u, that was awesome also ,blessings to you.

[ghtan]

What then do we do with the story of Judas? He was chosen/elect (Lk 6:13). He likely cast out demons in Jesus’ name (Mk 6:13). If he were only pretending, the demons would have called his bluff as they did with the sons of Sceva (Acts 19:15). Sounds like he was a genuine believer to start with. But we know what happened to him in the end. So I have doubts about once saved always saved. Indeed, if our salvation were fixed, it seems pointless to tell us to make our election sure (2 Peter 1:10).

[other one]

6 minutes ago, ghtan said:

What then do we do with the story of Judas? He was chosen/elect (Lk 6:13). He likely cast out demons in Jesus’ name (Mk 6:13). If he were only pretending, the demons would have called his bluff as they did with the sons of Sceva (Acts 19:15). Sounds like he was a genuine believer to start with. But we know what happened to him in the end. So I have doubts about once saved always saved. Indeed, if our salvation were fixed, it seems pointless to tell us to make our election sure (2 Peter 1:10).

I don't believe you can say that the demons would call your bluff....   but that's a whole different discussion and  we shouldn't tie the thread up with that.  and Judas's state is not our business to decide.

[angels4u]

9 minutes ago, ghtan said:

What then do we do with the story of Judas? He was chosen/elect (Lk 6:13). He likely cast out demons in Jesus’ name (Mk 6:13). If he were only pretending, the demons would have called his bluff as they did with the sons of Sceva (Acts 19:15). Sounds like he was a genuine believer to start with. But we know what happened to him in the end. So I have doubts about once saved always saved. Indeed, if our salvation were fixed, it seems pointless to tell us to make our election sure (2 Peter 1:10).

We serve a God who cannot lie,He bought you with His blood,you make it cheap by believing He will not keep His promise to keep you safe until you reach heaven,Judas was serving the enemy otherwise he would not sell Jesus for money,money is the root of all evil,God only know our heart and He knows who are His scheep..and who are not..Jesus bought you with a high price,He bought you back from the enemy..