9/11, structural steel.

[MorningGlory]

3 hours ago, simplejeff said:

.....  well,  not exactly "plain to the rest of us at this point" .... maybe not plain to any of us actually.

for clarity:  who did it ? 

Is Yahweh overall in charge ?  Yahweh says He Himself will curse ((or punish?)) anyone who takes action against Israel.

In His Word, When Yahweh used another country to punish Israel when Israel disobeyed, 

He then destroyed ((or punished)) the country that He Himself used for His Purpose ((of punishing/ disciplining)) Israel.

He always** destroyed or punished those who came against Israel His Chosen People.  His Word, He Guards, More than He Guards His Own Name, so He Always fulfills His Word... ((In this example, to curse anyone who comes against His Chosen  People))

 

**possible exception, in line with His Word, that IF someone REPENTED, their punishment was reduced or waived.

God has NOTHING to do with this pile of lies and rumors.  NOTHING.  This stuff is made up and propped up by fallible man. 

[MorningGlory]

2 hours ago, other one said:

you've talked a lot, but I haven't seen or accepted that you have proven anything at all except that you believe what your government told you, and in just about every other conversation we have had on this site you have never trusted our government.

 

I spoke to people just last week that was in the building when something hit the pentagon and I asked them strait up if they saw anything that would make them believe it was a commercial plane......     both told me that I knew they couldn't answer that question rather than lie to me about it.  Both would most likely either go to jail, or disappear if they told me what I could see written all over their expressions....

But keep propping up your government if you like.....   but in the end they will do you in anyway.

The one thing that shoots down the CTs about nine eleven?  The inability of the purveyors of these rumors and allegations to explain exactly WHAT BENEFIT the government would obtain from perpetrating a hoax attack on New York and D.C.?  That would require involvement of thousands and would do what?  Show the world that Islamic terrorists were out to attack us?  That is the stupidest scenario I can come up with.  No benefit=no conspiracy. 

[simplejeff]

About 354,000 results   ....  "Follow The Money"

 

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Inside the NSA the Day After 9/11 | FRONTLINE - PBS

www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/.../inside-the-nsa-the-day-after-911/‎

Spying on the home front was the one rule that NSA analysts were constantly warned against before 9/11, but that all changed the morning after the attacks.

 

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[simplejeff]

YES SIRREE!   FALLIBLE MEN WHO WROTE THE BIBLE........

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html

 

"Answer: The Old Testament records God killing multitudes of people, and some people want to believe this makes Him a murderer. The misconception that “killing” and “murder” are synonymous is partially based on the King James mistranslation of the sixth commandment, which reads, “Thou shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). However, the word kill is a translation of the Hebrew word ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause. The correct rendering of this word is “murder,” and all modern translations render the command as “You shall not murder.” The Bible in Basic English best conveys its meaning: “Do not put anyone to death without cause.”

 

It is true that God has intentionally killed many people. (God never “accidentally” does anything.) In fact, the Bible records that He literally wiped out entire nations including women, children, cattle, etc"

1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

God has NOTHING to do with this pile of lies and rumors.  NOTHING.  This stuff is made up and propped up by fallible man. 

 

[other one]

2 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

The one thing that shoots down the CTs about nine eleven?  The inability of the purveyors of these rumors and allegations to explain exactly WHAT BENEFIT the government would obtain from perpetrating a hoax attack on New York and D.C.?  That would require involvement of thousands and would do what?  Show the world that Islamic terrorists were out to attack us?  That is the stupidest scenario I can come up with.  No benefit=no conspiracy. 

LoL. Have you not noticed the attacks on the constitution and our personal liberties...  5 plus trillion dollars spent on wars and growing...  who makes the money from that expense?

New World Order people have benefited from that attack.

[SINNERSAVED]

6 minutes ago, other one said:

LoL. Have you not noticed the attacks on the constitution and our personal liberties...  5 plus trillion dollars spent on wars and growing...  who makes the money from that expense?

New World Order people have benefited from that attack.

Otherone, those that have eyes to see will see, and those that are not willing ,will refuse, we cannot , show anyone refusing to want to know in the first place , and think they will see?

I believe that when some one makes up there mind in general speaking that is , that it will not be changed , for unless it fell into there lap , maybe then,

this reminds me of the parable I read ?

 the story of lazarus and the rich man, this tells us a great view to consider, the beggar goes to Abrahams bossom and the rich man goes to the lake of fire and is tormented , and so He tells if someone would go and tell his brothers , and  he is told , that even if one came back from the grave they still would not believe, I like that parable it explains  a lot to me,

 and so I will say something and bring to the attention for others to be alerted and warned , but we canno9t force anyone to believe  that is on them, just like coming to God this is a choice and up to the person to believe or reject, so let us share this knowledge in love, and all we can do is point in the direction and let them if they are willing to look into it  ,

I believe you brother, and I know what I say is truth , but its okay if it is mocked, for unless anyone researches and really looks at what is going on they will not see it , so its okay , don't worry , we are not here to convince anyone of anything, we all have our on opinions, and information, blessings to you brother ,

[The_Patriot21]

lets look at the arguments presented.

 

Argument A: Jet fuel cannot burn hot enough to compromise steel. Well, as you can see from this video, that is FALSE. The internal fires were indeed hot enough to compromise the structure. So regardless of whether there was a conspiracy or not, this argument no longer stands., and to continue teaching it, after you have been shown, through science, that it is a false argument, is to continually and intentionally, spread a lie. It is no longer ignorance, but lying. So, this argument, has been 100% refuted.

 

Argument B: BBC reporter reporting wtc7 had fallen before it had. Well, while this is odd, its actually an argument against a conspiracy. For a person to get away with a conspiracy, they have to keep it secret. You cant keep it secret if you tell 5 million reporters, for absolutly no reason, and I mean absolutly no reason-you wouldnt have to tell them anything. If I wanted to fake a terrorist attack and blow up some buildings, I wouldn't tell the reporters anything more then hey, some planes hit the buildings and they were flown by terrorists. The media will take it from there, there would be absolutly no need to give reporters scripts of what they have to say, for this very reason-if one of them messes up or tells on you, there goes your  conspiracy. Anyone smart enough to pull of a conspiracy this big, is smart enough to not make such a collossal mistake as this. So, this argument, can be refuted as just being utterly stupid.

 

Argument C: supposedly, the same "paid" actor was used both at the shootings at LAX and at the 9/11. Ok first off, you provided no proof that he was a paid actor-he may very well have been at both. and secondly, even if he was, so what? it wouldnt be the first time a news agency hired someone to stand in for eye witnesses who didn't want to appear on TV. And, he wasnt the only person interviewed-there are dozens if not hundreds of eye witness interviews done by news agencies and documentaries, some of which were likely the actual witnesses, but many likely were stand ins. So thats not evidence of anything.

 

Now, lets address your claim you researched your views. You have not. Otherwise, you would have answered my question about how they managed to set up the explosives-with no one noticing. All your doing is repeating, what youve been told, and what youve read, without actually bothering to do any real research or do any critical thinking. You have allowed yourself to be deceived, and now are just repeating, what others have told you. Otherwise you would have something other then circumstantial evidence, and attempts to twist the facts, to support your cause.

 

Now, if I were someone in power, who wanted to pull off such a conspiracy, I would simply call up Bin Laden, and say hey buddy, how about I smuggle a few of your people through customs and train them to be pilots. Then you have them crash planes into the twin towers and we will pretend to fight you for 8 years without catching you. Then he does it, I pretend to fight him for 8 years but finally just kill him off to tie off a loose end. Nice, easy, limited amount of people involved, it doesnt matter how many buildings collapse because i know im going to war and will profit off it regardless, but if they fall well great thats icing on the cake. I have few to no loose ends. And on top of that, well, since I remember the childhood story of the boy who cried wolf as a child, And I know there are people watching my every move looking for conspiracys, so I will throw them a bone in the form of weak, unsubstantiated rumors based off of circumstantial evidence, knowing that those C/Ts will pounce all over them, and make complete fools of themselves, so that way if they ever do actually find something worthwhile, no one will believe them because they have set their credibility on fire and thrown it out the window.

 

Which, is in essence, what your doing here. Your best arguments are weak and circumstantial at best, your others are completly false. You have in essence, lost your credibility. You can only smash your head into a brick wall so many times and scream its NOT THERE before people simply stop listening. 

 

Now, unless your actually willing to answer my question, Im done with this debate. Ive said all that needs said, the truth is out there, for all to see. If someone reads it, and still falls for the falsehoods of the 9/11 conspiracy your toting, it is no ones fault but their own.

 

 

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Otherone, those that have eyes to see will see, and those that are not willing ,will refuse, we cannot , show anyone refusing to want to know in the first place , and think they will see?

So true.

And some do see but have a different agenda, so won't say so, and even will openly deny it.

And most aren't even aware of the subject.

The division within the Church is certainly evident -- let alone the society. Can tribulation be far off now?

[SINNERSAVED]

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 4:33 PM, The_Patriot2016 said:

lets look at the arguments presented.

 

Argument A: Jet fuel cannot burn hot enough to compromise steel. Well, as you can see from this video, that is FALSE. The internal fires were indeed hot enough to compromise the structure. So regardless of whether there was a conspiracy or not, this argument no longer stands., and to continue teaching it, after you have been shown, through science, that it is a false argument, is to continually and intentionally, spread a lie. It is no longer ignorance, but lying. So, this argument, has been 100% refuted.

 

Argument B: BBC reporter reporting wtc7 had fallen before it had. Well, while this is odd, its actually an argument against a conspiracy. For a person to get away with a conspiracy, they have to keep it secret. You cant keep it secret if you tell 5 million reporters, for absolutly no reason, and I mean absolutly no reason-you wouldnt have to tell them anything. If I wanted to fake a terrorist attack and blow up some buildings, I wouldn't tell the reporters anything more then hey, some planes hit the buildings and they were flown by terrorists. The media will take it from there, there would be absolutly no need to give reporters scripts of what they have to say, for this very reason-if one of them messes up or tells on you, there goes your  conspiracy. Anyone smart enough to pull of a conspiracy this big, is smart enough to not make such a collossal mistake as this. So, this argument, can be refuted as just being utterly stupid.

 

Argument C: supposedly, the same "paid" actor was used both at the shootings at LAX and at the 9/11. Ok first off, you provided no proof that he was a paid actor-he may very well have been at both. and secondly, even if he was, so what? it wouldnt be the first time a news agency hired someone to stand in for eye witnesses who didn't want to appear on TV. And, he wasnt the only person interviewed-there are dozens if not hundreds of eye witness interviews done by news agencies and documentaries, some of which were likely the actual witnesses, but many likely were stand ins. So thats not evidence of anything.

 

Now, lets address your claim you researched your views. You have not. Otherwise, you would have answered my question about how they managed to set up the explosives-with no one noticing. All your doing is repeating, what youve been told, and what youve read, without actually bothering to do any real research or do any critical thinking. You have allowed yourself to be deceived, and now are just repeating, what others have told you. Otherwise you would have something other then circumstantial evidence, and attempts to twist the facts, to support your cause.

 

Now, if I were someone in power, who wanted to pull off such a conspiracy, I would simply call up Bin Laden, and say hey buddy, how about I smuggle a few of your people through customs and train them to be pilots. Then you have them crash planes into the twin towers and we will pretend to fight you for 8 years without catching you. Then he does it, I pretend to fight him for 8 years but finally just kill him off to tie off a loose end. Nice, easy, limited amount of people involved, it doesnt matter how many buildings collapse because i know im going to war and will profit off it regardless, but if they fall well great thats icing on the cake. I have few to no loose ends. And on top of that, well, since I remember the childhood story of the boy who cried wolf as a child, And I know there are people watching my every move looking for conspiracys, so I will throw them a bone in the form of weak, unsubstantiated rumors based off of circumstantial evidence, knowing that those C/Ts will pounce all over them, and make complete fools of themselves, so that way if they ever do actually find something worthwhile, no one will believe them because they have set their credibility on fire and thrown it out the window.

 

Which, is in essence, what your doing here. Your best arguments are weak and circumstantial at best, your others are completly false. You have in essence, lost your credibility. You can only smash your head into a brick wall so many times and scream its NOT THERE before people simply stop listening. 

 

Now, unless your actually willing to answer my question, Im done with this debate. Ive said all that needs said, the truth is out there, for all to see. If someone reads it, and still falls for the falsehoods of the 9/11 conspiracy your toting, it is no ones fault but their own.

 

 

THAT WAS SO ... SILLY .. lOL..

[The_Patriot21]

When the debate is lost, slaunder becomes the tool of the loser ~Socrates.

 

I'm going to assume that since all your left with is mocking in place of an intelligent answer, that the debate is over.