Guest jack_ Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) In the bible at 1 timothy 2:12 it says this "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man" do us christians still have to follow this today? also i have heared an argument saying that christians think that 1+1+1=1. This is because of the holy trinity it says that the father is god,the son is god and the holy ghost is god. But yet there is only one god. How does that work? Im confused thanks for your help Edited December 31, 2015 by jack_ another question to add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted January 3, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted January 3, 2016 As to the women teaching, opinions vary, but I am sure if you search the forums, you will find that question thoroughly discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuelf324 Posted January 3, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 210 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 160 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yes the man is the authority in church service and of the household . The woman in any case is not to usurp authority of Man. In Genesis it clearly states Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Man is supreme ruler That's old Testament but it's still in effect because it's all over in the new Testament 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Man is the ruler not the woman. Godhead is 1 God that has three separate roles but all equal in essence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted January 4, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted January 4, 2016 On 12/31/2015 at 10:38 PM, jack_ said: In the bible at 1 timothy 2:12 it says this "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man" do us christians still have to follow this today? also i have heared an argument saying that christians think that 1+1+1=1. This is because of the holy trinity it says that the father is god,the son is god and the holy ghost is god. But yet there is only one god. How does that work? Im confused thanks for your help Three in one. God the Father , God the Son. God the Holy Spirit. And just a heads up, when you speak of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit you should use capitals letters. It is out of respect of who we are speaking of. Yes only one God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted January 4, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted January 4, 2016 21 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: As to the women teaching, opinions vary, but I am sure if you search the forums, you will find that question thoroughly discussed. Not bad at all Omega.... well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted January 4, 2016 11 minutes ago, RustyAngeL said: Not bad at all Omega.... well done! I did not originate the idea, but I made the graphic. I got it from a pastor named Kurt Dahlin. I liked it. I actually keep peanut props near the front door now, for those times when JWs tell me that the trinity makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted January 4, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 4, 2016 Trinity is a concept beyond man's comprehensive ability a better equation would be 1 x 1 x 1 = 3 but even that fails to express the inexpressible...so we come up with peanut anaolgies which are okay, but not enough But should it surprise anyone that full nature of God would be beyond our comprehension? It really shouldn't The closest I've come to understanding trinity is understanding the nature of God's relationship with us The Father...Jehovah was God above us, out of reach except by kings priests and prophets Jesus was God among us, we could see Him, touch Him, hear him The Holy Spirit is God with in us, dwelling in our hearts with an intimate relationship guiding, leading comforting each one closer. As to women teaching and being in authority over men...it is in the bible so I must accept it. But when you take some time with this, this is actually a very limited application preaching, evangelizing, exhorting, prophesying are still very much open to women. And really....who has authority over men in the church. MAYBE a pastor.....maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted January 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 31/12/2015 at 9:38 PM, jack_ said: In the bible at 1 timothy 2:12 it says this "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man" do us christians still have to follow this today? There are many churches and denominations which believe that this is not binding on churches today. But those instructions were given by God to Paul to hand down to all churches for all times and circumstances until the coming of Christ. There are sound spiritual reasons why women are not permitted to teach, preach, or usurp authority within the church (or within the home). also i have heared an argument saying that christians think that 1+1+1=1. This is because of the holy trinity it says that the father is god,the son is god and the holy ghost is god. But yet there is only one god. How does that work? This is not an "argument" but Bible truth. While we cannot explain how God is one yet three Divine Persons, we can certainly believe it because it is in the Bible (see Matthew 28:19). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walty Posted January 27, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 44 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 75 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/14/1971 Share Posted January 27, 2016 About women as spiritual leaders in church, I agree with some of the posts. God is God, he can do whatever he wants. I know God will keep his word. My understanding in the New Testament, those specific verses about women who are to remain silent, are for specific events that needed to be dealt with at that time. Now, some leaders take it to be applied throughout all Churches. I guess this argument can be explained as to what is bound here on earth, will be bound in heaven. What is loosed here on earth, will be loosed in heaven. Some preachers preach that wearing opened toe shoes is wrong. Guess what, too that individual who listens to that preacher, if they were to where opened toe shoes, according to their faith, it's wrong. God will use any vessel of his choosing to preach his word. There's even accounts in the Bible where He uses a mule to get his message across. God is no respecter of persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted January 28, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted January 28, 2016 23 hours ago, Walty said: About women as spiritual leaders in church, I agree with some of the posts. God is God, he can do whatever he wants. I know God will keep his word. My understanding in the New Testament, those specific verses about women who are to remain silent, are for specific events that needed to be dealt with at that time. Now, some leaders take it to be applied throughout all Churches. I guess this argument can be explained as to what is bound here on earth, will be bound in heaven. What is loosed here on earth, will be loosed in heaven. Some preachers preach that wearing opened toe shoes is wrong. Guess what, too that individual who listens to that preacher, if they were to where opened toe shoes, according to their faith, it's wrong. God will use any vessel of his choosing to preach his word. There's even accounts in the Bible where He uses a mule to get his message across. God is no respecter of persons. As I See It, The Trouble With Stiffing The Holy Ghost And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2:17-18 (King James Version) One Will Still Be Held Accountable For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Romans 1:21-23 (English Standard Version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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