Gift of Healing

[gdemoss]

12 hours ago, Willa said:

Dearest brother, I have frequently told one of my best friends that her argument is with God and not with me.  She gets very angry when I say that.  You see, she believes that Jesus died for her sins but does not believe the Bible is God's Word, God breathed or otherwise.  She thinks it is only man's opinion.  So she incorporates some reincarnation and some animism into her philosophy.   I don't argue with her anymore like I did when we were teenagers.  I just love her intensely and tell her that her argument is with God.  Is that being prideful?  

I tend to lay hands on the sick or just pray for the sick in obedience and leave the results to God.  Our pastor seems to also have a gift of knowledge because he often knows who will be healed before he prays.  But it is all done very quietly and few know this is being done.  Only once Has God given that faith to me, and that time in my daily devotions I had begun reading in Matthew again, but paused and meditated on every verse about healing as I was being drawn to them.  A week later my husband was bedridden with a pinched nerve in his neck.  No doctor would touch him that I called.  The hospital gave him narcotics that didn't help--even morphine.  5 weeks later he had lost 30 pounds because he was so nauseous from the pain and the narcotics.  It caused him to go into afib.  I prayed for him intensely day and night, believing that God would heal.  But only a few hours after our pastor and elders prayed for him, it was completely gone.  Hubby said it felt like warm oil was being poured over him and going through him.  

I would love to seen God work miracles when I pray for people, too.  But most often I don't see the results.  I just have compassion on the people and pray for them irregardless.  We can always ask.

Willa, my lovely sister in Christ, thank you for the encouraging and respectful response!

It is possible that you were but not necessarily so.  I am learning to be careful to understand the difference between having an opinion based upon education and knowing something because God the Father has revealed it as true unto me.  I once was taught and understood that Jesus was the Son of God but a day came when God revealed that truth unto me and now I can declare it.

As for the gift of healing and the laying on of hands I have no such revelation of God.

Gal 1:11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

True wisdom, knowledge and understanding come by revelation of God through Jesus Christ.

[simplejeff]

Truth is required.  Absolute Truth.  Jesus.  

"No man can receive anything unless the Father grants it from heaven."

"Have no other gods." 

"The same yesterday, today, and forever."

All boils down to TRUST.  (("TRUST", a gift from Yahweh, cannot be earned, but can be rejected.))

"ONLY the PURE in HEART can ever see heaven."

"They were pierced to the heart and cried, what can we do ? "

Acts 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and ...

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When the crowd that had gathered heard this, they were pierced to the heart. They asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what should we do?"

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Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said to Peter and to ... Wenow begin with the last verse of the second part of the address. ... How surely does the first glimpse of Jesus as Christ and Lord set conscience to work! .... gained;) they were pricked in their heart — Or, were pierced to the heart, with ...

"What should we do?" 

Only the Father can reveal this to anyone.

 

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When the man saw Jesus, he bowed with his face to the ground, begging to be healed. "Lord," he said, "if you are willing, you can heal me and make me clean."  

 Jesus reached out his hand and ...

 

 

 

 

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Healing is possible through our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus,

I have personally experienced this in my life more than once.

One healing I received 23 years after I had first prayed for its healing,

When it happened it happened on the same day I prayed once again for that same healing

I feel sorry for those who still have not come to believe this.

If you do not believe, you cannot receive in full Gods promises for your life.

It all has to do with your walk with God and how much faith you place in Gods Words.

Healing is possible.

The person on page one of this thread, who got healed, said it all. Praise God!

And if God does not heal strait away, there is always reason for this.

Never give up on your faith that God can and does heal. Amen! Thank you Father God, through Your only begotten Son Christ Jesus. Praise your Name! Amen! Amen! Amen!

 

Isaiah 53

 

 

[1to3]

11 minutes ago, algots said:

headache?  Tooth ache?  Cold?  Flu?  Sore joints? 

You do know that sometimes the body heals itself, do you not?

You do know that if I reduce my salt intake that my blood pressure will lower, right?

Did God heal you of cancer? AIDS?  Hepatitis? Did he restore a limb? Restore function of a paralyzed limb? Restore eyesight? Hearing in a deaf ear?

Is it documented? Where?

Or do we just have to take your word for it?

Some people here like to argue, and argue,

some people here, like anywhere, they are not filled with the spirit of Peace but of strife.

I come in peace, I need to remain in peace to be able to pray for others as well as live my life as close as possible to God. That is what works for me in Him.

I said what I said, I know what i said to be Truth, and God through His Only begotten Son Christ Jesus is my witness to the words I spoke.

I will not say more on the subject of healing here, as I have already said most everything on the subject.

God gives his Mercy and Grace to all who seek and ask for it.

Peace to all, and Gods Mercy and Grace to all who seek Him.

This Friday is good Friday, I pray we set our hearts on Him, thanking Him for His Love and plan of Mercy and Grace for mankind.

 

[enoob57]

20 hours ago, Willa said:

Dearest brother, I have frequently told one of my best friends that her argument is with God and not with me.  She gets very angry when I say that.  You see, she believes that Jesus died for her sins but does not believe the Bible is God's Word, God breathed or otherwise.  She thinks it is only man's opinion.  So she incorporates some reincarnation and some animism into her philosophy.   I don't argue with her anymore like I did when we were teenagers.  I just love her intensely and tell her that her argument is with God.  Is that being prideful?  

I tend to lay hands on the sick or just pray for the sick in obedience and leave the results to God.  Our pastor seems to also have a gift of knowledge because he often knows who will be healed before he prays.  But it is all done very quietly and few know this is being done.  Only once Has God given that faith to me, and that time in my daily devotions I had begun reading in Matthew again, but paused and meditated on every verse about healing as I was being drawn to them.  A week later my husband was bedridden with a pinched nerve in his neck.  No doctor would touch him that I called.  The hospital gave him narcotics that didn't help--even morphine.  5 weeks later he had lost 30 pounds because he was so nauseous from the pain and the narcotics.  It caused him to go into afib.  I prayed for him intensely day and night, believing that God would heal.  But only a few hours after our pastor and elders prayed for him, it was completely gone.  Hubby said it felt like warm oil was being poured over him and going through him.  

I would love to seen God work miracles when I pray for people, too.  But most often I don't see the results.  I just have compassion on the people and pray for them irregardless.  We can always ask.

Yes and sadly these sort say it is a lack of your faith... what a destructive response from a confused people!
How often did they not even know who Jesus was and were healed! Still others help my unbelief! To stand
in the gap and say what was done then is not what is done today and even though God hides His miracles
from proof seekers or provides none for the sake of goodness- Rom 8:28 ... To read of His Works and of
those God bestowed them upon is as good for me as actually seeing them and that is the work of The Holy
Spirit within me! The reason of miracles to validate supernaturally the persons through whom He would
speak the finale work of forming the New Testament is substantiated by internal reasoning of Scripture itself:

Mt 24:24-26

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

Bottom line why would God, Who leads us in His Word to be able to stand firm, keep doing signs and wonders
in these last of days whereby He has warned of false hood able to fool anyone who is looking for validation
through miracles... Does this really sound like how The True Shepherd would lead us?    Love, Steven

[PaulTimothy]

12 minutes ago, algots said:

So, that means you can't provide any proof.  Thank you.

Calling me names doesn't erase the fact that you are unable to provide any objective evidence.

 

"I got healed"

"Prove it"

"You just come here to cause division"

Gotta love it. It's no wonder the world mocks Christians as gullible, because for the most part, WE ARE.

Who do you think you are? That you deserve to be shown any proof? You are no more important than they are or I am, or anyone else is. Jesus is our proof, the words he left, the trail he left for us to follow. You have just name called a plethora of times and just named a majority of Christians gullible....you are the gullible one, settling for the minimum. You may not want or need God's best, but I do. I pray you are enlightened by someone who has words like a jackhammer, how else will someone be able to get through your skull.

[enoob57]

15 minutes ago, PaulTimothy said:

I agree with part of your statement. Faith is a necessary ingredient, but it is not necessary on the sick indiviual's part. Healing is no longer a sign or a wonder (to believers), it is our duty, it is the loving merciful power of God. Splitting the red sea, fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah, the plagues upon Egypt, these were vast signs and wonders to prove he was God. We no longer need proof of God, but we still need Him. Just because the ultimate work is done does not mean there is nothing left to do.

You've missed the point of following in Christ's footsteps. Do you still need proof of God? I don't? I'm basking in the magnificence of God, His love for us, his enduring love and forgiveness, how can you not want God's best? Jesus is our compass, our perfect direction, do as he did. To fulfill that completely would be impossible but that is our guiding light and for anyone to think differently is misplaced from the start.

This is really nice sentiment but not Scripturally based... emotions is a poor keeper of God's Word!
Try to start a hermeneutic approach to the study of God's Word...  fit your concept of faith with
The Scripture and begin again to reason with God!  Isa 1:18

Heb 11:1-3

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV
Love, Steven

 

[PaulTimothy]

10 minutes ago, algots said:

Actually, it is your behavior and beliefs that make Jesus the errand boy. Just admit it. That's all Jesus is to you.  He is just a means to serve your end.

You are just trolling now. I will provide you with one name, because it is public record, to appeal to your childish content. Everyone else will remain private. 

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

This is really nice sentiment but not Scripturally based... emotions is a poor keeper of God's Word!
Try to start a hermeneutic approach to the study of God's Word...  fit your concept of faith with
The Scripture and begin again to reason with God!  Isa 1:18

Heb 11:1-3

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV
Love, Steven

 

I can not be faulted for having visual evidence of Gods work....I myself am not invisible, nor are x-rays, blood tests, or other scans. No one can say they are free of something unless they receive a word from God or verification of a healing manifestation from a medical report. This is reality, faith necessitates all these happenings, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I will again reference 1 Peter 2:21, not sure how much clearer it can be given the ten commandments, the instructions of Jesus, the bible....

[PaulTimothy]

22 minutes ago, algots said:

Maybe, you should have require a little proof yourself?

"settling for the minimum"?  Really?

So, "settling" for Jesus, alone, to you, is the minimum? So, Jesus is at the bottom of your list for things to "settle" for? 

WOW! What a statement.

I'm sorry that Jesus, alone, isn't enough for you.

This tells me where your heart really is.

I will not debate any further immature language. PM me if you wish to continue your tyrade of accusations. 

Also just so we're clear the "errand boy" you keep referring to, is the Holy Spirit, Jesus is no longer on earth. Speaking blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgiveable sin, so watch your language. 

Edited March 22, 2016 by PaulTimothy
Defence of the HS

[Willa]

7 hours ago, gdemoss said:

Willa, my lovely sister in Christ, thank you for the encouraging and respectful response!

It is possible that you were but not necessarily so.  I am learning to be careful to understand the difference between having an opinion based upon education and knowing something because God the Father has revealed it as true unto me.  I once was taught and understood that Jesus was the Son of God but a day came when God revealed that truth unto me and now I can declare it.

As for the gift of healing and the laying on of hands I have no such revelation of God.

Gal 1:11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

True wisdom, knowledge and understanding come by revelation of God through Jesus Christ.

Back in the 70s I started clinging to the truth revealed by the Holy Spirit.  The rest of my Lutheran doctrine pretty much was forgotten.  Moreover, I have never looked for signs as some stamp of approval as to being an "apostle"or even a true Christian.  (Today's "sent out ones" are missionaries.  There were only 12 Apostles who were with Jesus from the beginning and witnessed His resurrection and ascension. )   I wan't sure if I even believed there is such a thing a divine healing.  God does not change.  He healed people in the old testament and the new. He still heals.  And if your child is very sick and medication is not helping, you will pray for him.  You may be holding him and rocking him at the time, or reading a rag book to him.  But you can't help but pray.  

I have to laugh at my Baptist friends who could only pray for God's grace for people.  Their own pastor would occasionally pray for the sick privately and miracles occurred.  But neither this pastor nor my present pastor make a side show of it.  They do so in private with no fanfare.  Occasionally new people would complain that healing weren't happening in our church.  Very few people know.  Sometimes even the pastors don't learn the results till later.  Now, there is nothing wrong with asking for God's grace to endure.   But no where in the Bible does it tell us not to pray for the sick.  

I am just as wary as you about the people who would have people come up on a stage and yell at them to be healed, pushing them over as they did.  Anyone who does so seems to be seeking the glory for himself.  When God does the healing most of those who pray are just astounded and humbled by what has occurred, knowing they had very little to do with it.

Mt. 8:16b-17  And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying :  "He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses."  (Isaiah 53:4) NKJV

It is just like sharing the Gospel with people.  We do it out of love of the people and obedience to God.  Whether they receive Christ is somewhat up the them but mostly up to God.  They can pridefully resist the grace of God, or they can receive it with humble hearts and thanksgiving.  But I don't tell anyone it is a persons lack of faith that kept them from being healed.  Even faith is a gift from God according to Eph. 2.  And we never know who God will give that faith to.  It might be the person praying or someone else in the room.   If the person is suffering greatly he may have little faith but is just trying to survive the pain.  it is nothing but a heartless cruel lie to tell someone whose child has just died that he didn't have enough faith.

Psm 103:2-4 NKJV  Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:  Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies, 

EX 15:26  For I am the LORD (YHWH) Who heals you.

3 Jn 1:2 Beloved, I PRAY that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.  (This is not a promise--it is a prayer.)

James 5:13-16  Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray--.  14. Is anyone among you sick?  Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.  And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up---(Note that in this case it is the pastor who does the praying who must have faith.)-  16.  Confess your trespasses to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.  The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.  

Eph 6:18  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints---

I am not a "healer".  I am an intercessor.  But I often pray for peoples' salvation, for the blindness to be removed and their ears opened, so they can trust Jesus to be their Lord and Savior.  And I often pray for the sick.  Sometimes I pray for people over the phone.  Sometimes in private and sometimes enjoining with my husband, as God reminds us of needs of family and friends.

blessings,

Willa