How the OT tells us to treat refugees, migrants and people of foreign origin

[simplejeff]

True.  No one is required to.

we are all - .....Sojourners on earth.  Same deal as Egypt.  Same /worse /possible punishment>>

 I also was not a sojourner in the land of Egypt.  But this applies to me:>>>

As in the NT it is written >>

Jude 5   I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. ...... ....... King James Version (KJV) by Public Domain

yet TODAY:  Yeshua is eternally more important than Moses: >>

Hebrews 3    Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)     Therefore, brothers whom God has set apart, who share in the call from heaven, think carefully about Yeshua, whom we acknowledge publicly as God’s emissary and as cohen gadol((high priest)). 2 He was faithful to God, who appointed him; just as

“Moshe was faithful in all God’s house.”[a]
3 But Yeshua deserves more honor than Moshe, just as the builder of the house deserves more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but the one who built everything is God.

5 Also, Moshe was faithful in all God’s house, as a servant giving witness to things God would divulge later. 6 But the Messiah, as Son, was faithful over God’s house. And we are that house of his, provided we hold firmly to the courage and confidence inspired by what we hope for.

12 Watch out, brothers, so that there will not be in any one of you an evil heart lacking trust, which could lead you to apostatize from the living God!

13 Instead, keep exhorting each other every day, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you will 

become hardened by the deceit of sin.

[gdemoss]

To whom much is forgiven much loves.  To whom little is forgiven little loves.

Love as you have been forgiven!

[hmbld]

20 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I was not a sojourner in the land of Egypt. So I do  not think that this applies to me.

We have all been sojourners in Egypt.  I believe those verses apply to all of us, and all who travel or live among us. Taking in strangers to our homes, I do not believe applies to those at war with you or are making an invasion. The numbers we are talking about is in fact an invasion, with documented proof that it is planned and an act of war.   

[WilliamL]

On 2/14/2016 at 11:26 PM, junobet said:

There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the LORD your God.

(Lev. 24:22)

Lev. 24:22 ‘You shall have the same law [mishpat/judgment, justice, ordinance] for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the LORD your God.’ ”

23 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

In those days, they were not trying to overthrow the government or forcibly convert the population to their religion using terror. Use you brain and do some critical thinking.

This passage from Leviticus says it all. Will the foreigner who comes in willingly submit to the laws of the country he enters, or does he desire special treatment, refuse to learn the language, and demand to institute sharia or other practices and standards contrary to those of the host nation? Including that nation's laws for immigration? If so, then he is a lawless one, and should be expelled.

[simplejeff]

46 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

This passage from Leviticus says it all. Will the foreigner who comes in willingly submit to the laws of the country he enters

Yes indeed.   Even today, in the desert, "possibly" ((IF any honor still exists))

when a wayfarer seeks shelter/ help/ protection/ provision/ survival from another,  

the one providing is REQUIRED to provide ((it is not an option to turn someone down IF comply with >>))

AND

the one receiving is REQUIRED to honor the provider's person(s), rules, and property - not to kill, steal or destroy in any manner.

TODAY,  Jesus provides/-d EVERY THING for SALVATION in this life and for the LIFE TO COME.  He has rules too.

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, hmbld said:

Taking in strangers to our homes, I do not believe applies to those at war with you or are making an invasion. The numbers we are talking about is in fact an invasion, with documented proof that it is planned and an act of war.   

Exactly. In the OT nations which were at war with Israel were treated as enemies, and God commanded that those enemies be destroyed.

21 And Israel sent messengers unto Sihon king of the Amorites, saying,

22 Let me pass through thy land: we will not turn into the fields, or into the vineyards; we will not drink of the waters of the well: but we will go along by the king's high way, until we be past thy borders.

23 And Sihon would not suffer Israel to pass through his border: but Sihon gathered all his people together, and went out against Israel into the wilderness: and he came to Jahaz, and fought against Israel.

24 And Israel smote him with the edge of the sword, and possessed his land from Arnon unto Jabbok, even unto the children of Ammon: for the border of the children of Ammon was strong.

25 And Israel took all these cities: and Israel dwelt in all the cities of the Amorites, in Heshbon, and in all the villages thereof. (Numbers 21:21-25).

[junobet]

9 hours ago, hmbld said:

We have all been sojourners in Egypt.  I believe those verses apply to all of us, and all who travel or live among us. Taking in strangers to our homes, I do not believe applies to those at war with you or are making an invasion. The numbers we are talking about is in fact an invasion, with documented proof that it is planned and an act of war.   

There is indeed a war, but it is not a war between refugees and us.

I myself certainly would not want to be sitting in Aleppo right now. So I’m not the least bit surprised that thousands and thousands of Aleppo's citizens have now finally fled. Many of them are now stuck at the Turkish border under dismal conditions. That’s what wars do: they cause big numbers of people to flee. To call these people ‘invaders’ adds to their plight and IMHO may well land us in the camp of the goats.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/syrian-refugees-in-b-c-distraught-as-aleppo-under-attack-1.3449067

Love,

junobet

5 hours ago, Ezra said:

 

 

[junobet]

19 hours ago, Davida said:

Exactly true Rick, refreshing to see your intelligient statements on the subject. We should only be helping those who can be vetted as real refugees and they should be applying in the usual way not forcing their way in.  It is more of a mass islamic migration then anything as they are mostly young men and not fleeing from anywhere. why are they coming to countries that don't have Sharia Law when this is what they prefer?  Why did they leave places like Turkey? Where are the families, the abandoned women and children?  The real victims of war are being pushed aside. 

The Muslim Brotherhood actually have a name for people in the West who can be so easily used & manipulated to further their plans for destroying the west and Civilization Jihad-- and it's not our "friends"  or those good samaritans --they call them useful idiots.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html

Dailymail Uk: ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos' "

"Italian press today published claims that ISIS has threatened to release the huge wave of migrants to cause chaos in Europe if they are attacked

And letters from jihadists show plans to hide terrorists among refugees 

In 2011, Muammar Gaddafi ominously predicted war would come to Libya 

He was deposed in a violent coup and killed in October of the same year 

Islamic State executed 21 Egyptian Christians on Libyan beach this week

Crisis in Libya has led to surge in number of migrants heading for Europe

By HANNAH ROBERTS IN ROME FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 15:54 GMT, 18 February 2015 | UPDATED: 18:51 GMT, 18 February 2015

ISIS has threatened to flood Europe with half a million migrants from Libya in a 'psychological' attack against the West, it was claimed today.

Transcripts of telephone intercepts published in Italy claim to provide evidence that ISIS is threatening to send 500,000 migrants simultaneously out to sea in hundreds of boats in a 'psychological weapon' against Europe if there is military intervention against them in Libya.

Many would be at risk of drowning with rescue services unable to cope. But authorities fear that if numbers on this scale arrived, European cities could witness riots.

Separately, the militants hope to cement their control of Libya then cross the Mediterranean disguised as refugees, according to letters seen by Quilliam the anti-terror group, reported by the Telegraph. ......" 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html#ixzz40CPaj2Pz

Yes, the Daily Mail is one of the newspapers that very eagerly do ISIS’s bidding:

 

“In the discussion of ISIS and its actions we need to clearly get a handle on what it is that ISIS is hoping to accomplish with the attacks in Paris and Beirut and Baghdad and the Russian airplane bombing. What they are doing is using terrorism, and even more so the responses to terrorism, to provide them with ways and means that they do NOT themselves have to achieve their ends. We need to recognize and accept that for ISIS terrorism is Psychological Operations (PSYOPs).

 

PSYOPs are defined as: “Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator’s objectives. Also called PSYOP.” Calls for closing mosques or special identification for Muslims or religious tests for refugees, let alone simply not accepting any, are all the result of ISIS being able to influence emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of the US government, American organizations and groups, and US citizens. Threats of reprisal and actual attacks on Muslims as reprisals, or those perceived to be Muslim, even more so.

President Hollande’s response was not only morally correct, but also demonstrated how not to fall into ISIS’s PSYOPs trap:

“Life should resume fully,” Hollande told a gathering of the country’s mayors, who gave him a standing ovation. “What would France be without its museums, without its terraces, its concerts, its sports competitions?

“France should remain as it is. Our duty is to carry on our lives.”

In the same spirit, he added, “30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

So far American news media, far too many politicians at all levels of US government, and far too many Americans have decided to provide ISIS the ways and means to achieve their ends. Ways and means that they do NOT actually have. We went down this rabbit hole after 9-11 into a land of demagoguery; fear; and paranoia. It got us two unsuccessful wars without declaring war, a mess of an economy, and no real good solutions for, or resolutions of, how to deal with the extremist, violent strain within Islam that is at war with Islam and the rest of the world. The question that has not been fully answered, though we are seeing hints and teasers of what the answer might be, is have we learned anything over the past fourteen years?"

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/11/19/booo-isis-and-the-use-of-terrorism-as-psychological-operations/

 

The worst thing that could happen to ISIS is us showing the world our Christian compassion by caring for those they persecute, Muslim, Christians, Yazidis alike.

Love,

junobet

[junobet]

24 minutes ago, Davida said:

No one has ever said there is a war between "us and the refugees" to infer that is deceitful .   CBC is the most left wing biased News Media in Canada that shamefully promotes their leftist socialist view ad nauseum & were big in promoting Trudeau to get elected--big mistake for Canada.    

Davida, there are certain media that haven’t got the slightest qualms to insinuate that refugees are invaders. If I remember right, in this very thread this has already happened more than once. Sad.

And have you still not noticed that I’m not all that interested in petty categories of left or right, but in the doing of the good? IMHO if a Christian’s alliances are with earthly political wings rather than with Jesus Christ, who always sided with the weak and outcast, that Christian has a problem. And yes, my understanding of the Christian gospel leads me to think that the American Christian right in particular has some very massive problems. May the Lord have mercy.

Love, junobet

[junobet]

10 minutes ago, Davida said:

Isis is not doing mass murder for any reason other than to achieve World Wide Islamic control according to the instructions in the Koran & the example by their prophet, they are Jihadi soldiers recruiting world wide and one of the things they are doing to infiltrate the West and set up Terrorist cells is by seeding the migrants with their fighters.  Seems everyone knows that but you.  

The victims of war can be better helped by funding development of resettlement programs in Muslim countries then bringing them to Western nations. 

Why? Because you don't want the West to take any responsibility for a human catastrophe that was ultimately caused by failed Western politics after 9/11?

Neighbouring Muslim countries are filled to the brim:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/09/syrias-refugee-crisis-in-numbers/