Different denominations working together for community service...

[Guest Butero]

10 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Allows it, but doesnt say that is what God wants-Jesus speciefied his ideal in the above scripture. There is a difference between "alloweable" and "what is ideal. Im sorry, but if your going to reject scripture, then there is no more point to this debate. I gave you the scripture, if you refuse to head it, that is in you not on me. 

I just gave you scripture.  I am not saying God's best isn't one man and one woman, but I am saying polygamy is not a transgression of the law so it is not a sin.  If God can regulate polygamy, why not ban it?  How could God do something unrighteous in giving David more than one wife if it was sinful?  If it wasn't regulated by God in his law, I would agree with your conclusions, but God went out of his way to place regulations on something he could just as well have banned. 

[Guest Butero]

12 minutes ago, Davida said:

But , Butero,  these verses say "a" helper  -- not ( multiple helpers) . It says  "a man will.......hold fast to his "wife" not wives.  Same God sanctified marriage between a man and a woman.

Now, I did a little research and the allowing polygamy after the big war when almost all the men have been killed that there is a ratio of 1 man to 7 women , that is for the specific purpose of repopulation. Doesn't mean it was what GOD commanded permanently. I think the other polygamy in the Bible was sin & not what GOD had purposed.
 

Genesis 2:18 ESV

Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”

Genesis 2:24 ESV

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Sorry, guess we were writing at the same time, two posts before me weren't there when I was posting my question & answer.

I don't think polygamy is something people would be wise to do, and I do realize that when God created Adam and Eve, he didn't give Adam but one wife.  I also realize that when a man and woman get married, they two become one flesh, and spiritually, that which was taken from his body is restored to him.  I know all of that and agree.  I am only speaking in terms of the practice not being specifically prohibited.  I am not encouraging it. 

[FresnoJoe]

7 hours ago, Butero said:

Show me in the Bible where it says a OUIJA board or playing with tarot cards is sinful.... 
It doesn't mention either.  Show me where watching porn is sinful.... 
I am not interested in opinions.... 
Show me scripture....

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8

Men Can Wear Men's Pants But Woman Can't Wear Women's Pants

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

Where Does One Get Such None-Biblical Thoughts

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Galatians 5:13-15

Is It From The "Law" Of Pants?

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Romans 3:26-30

I Think Not

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

~

Believe

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2 Thessalonians 2:13

And Be Blessed Beloved

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Ezra]

10 minutes ago, Butero said:

 I know all of that and agree.  I am only speaking in terms of the practice not being specifically prohibited. 

Actually there is a specific prohibition against polygamy in the New Testament. Both elders and deacons are to be husbands of "one wife". And since they are the officers within the local church, their example is something to be emulated.  

In any event the first marriage was monogamous for a very good reason (which generally escapes Christians). Adam was a type of Christ and Eve was a type of the Church. That is a lesson it itself.

Back to the OP. Working together should be for within the local assembly otherwise there are bound to be unnecessary problems.

[junobet]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

You can easily tell what is a moral law.  Just think about this for a moment.  Lets suppose we aren't speaking of a woman but a man.  Lets say it is your son and he comes home one day wearing a dress.  He tells you he made it himself, because though he is straight, he feels more comfortable wearing soft clothes like a dress.  He is kind of like the famous director Ed Wood Jr. in that regard.  Would you feel like he was violating any moral laws of God?  While we are at it, let me give you a couple of additional questions.

Lets suppose you have a man of 20 years of age who has never been married and his Father dies.  Is it ok if he marries his widowed Mother?  I ask this because the only laws that would prohibit this marriage are in the Old Testament.  Corinthians mentions an incestuous relationship but it has an adultery element to it. 

We have had a lot of serious questions over deep doctrine, and we could use some serious clarification.  Would you be ok if we tried to hold a séance to contact the Apostle Paul to ask him some questions.  The law against necromancy is only found in the Old Testament. 

If you would have a problem with either of these things, are you ok with wearing a garment made of wool and flax?  How about seething a calf in it's Mother's milk?  Just wondering.

As far as a death penalty for those transgressions, yes I am ok if a nation adopts them.  To say I would oppose that would be to say I am more moral than God himself who gave those penalties in his own law.  I am not saying I am looking to adopt them, but I am not going to say it would be wrong, and I don't care what they do in Arab nations. 

So basically your answer is: gut feeling. The danger here is that many of our gut feelings are utterly human rather than divinely inspired. They hang very much on what we grew up with. See the nudity for example:  you are abhorred by it. But I grew up in a society in which it is utterly normal for people to go to mixed saunas. It’s the kind of innocent nakedness we don’t associate with shame or sexual lust.  

In answer to your questions here are my gut feelings:

If my son liked wearing dresses I’d be slightly worried that he may get bullied. But if he can cope with that and enjoys wearing dresses and sees to it that he’s warm enough, that’s his business.  My love for my children would not depend on their personal fashion choices.  God knows that I’m thankful that my Mum was always rather tolerant of mine.

If a 20 year old desired to marry his mother, I’d recommend seeking out the help of a therapist. There are good genetic reasons to ban incest, but I’d say actual cases are rare and mostly occur when siblings didn’t grow up together.

Necromancy: I don’t believe in the occult.

Polygamy: we cannot serve more than one master and IMHO we cannot fully commit to more than one partner. And I doubt we can become “one flesh” with more than one partner.

Calf in Mother’s milk: I’d feel sorry for the calf, so I’m vegetarian. Which I suppose makes my food pretty much kosher and halal without even bothering.

 

For all: In my experience talking to people and trying to understand their feelings and motives helps when trying to find out how to love them best. Legalism mostly does not. It just appeals to our hardness of heart  (Mt 19:8)

 

About your last passage and the death penalty in general, God’s given us an update: John 8:1-11.

[Guest Butero]

42 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said:

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8

Men Can Wear Men's Pants But Woman Can't Wear Woman's Pants

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

Where Does One Get Such None-Biblical Thoughts

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Galatians 5:13-15

Is It From The Law Of Pants?

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Romans 3:26-30

I Think Not

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

~

Believe

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2 Thessalonians 2:13

And Be Blessed Beloved

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

Love, Your Brother Joe

I have already answered this question more times than I should have had to in order to make my position perfectly clear.  I would again point out that women in many cases are wearing pants made specifically for men and everyone is fine with it.  I would point out that the largest women's group in America, "Concerned Women For America" came against a book about a little boy wearing a skirt made specifically for him by his Mother.  How can that be?  How can it be ok for women to wear skirts made for women but a boy can't wear a skirt made for him without women coming against it?  That is hypocrisy as far as I am concerned.  I also wonder F.J., if a man were to have a tailor make him a flowery skirt and blouse, just for him, should his wife and everyone be ok with that?  I mean, if it wasn't made for a woman, even if he looks effeminate, so what? 

[simplejeff]

so,  both 'gut feelings' are wrong, and 'cultural adaptations' are wrong , both, 

whenever  either one goes against Yahweh's clear Instructions.

[FresnoJoe]

41 minutes ago, Butero said:

The implications are clear that there will be a shortage of men and they will be out numbered 7 to 1.  It only makes sense that God wouldn't expect 6 of 7 women to be without a husband.  I have often thought that is part of the reason why polygamy was never prohibited.  To me, even if it is not a sin, it is not a good idea.

~

Beloved, Does It Say Married?

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. Isaiah 4:1 (King James Version)

[Guest Butero]

5 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Actually there is a specific prohibition against polygamy in the New Testament. Both elders and deacons are to be husbands of "one wife". And since they are the officers within the local church, their example is something to be emulated.  

In any event the first marriage was monogamous for a very good reason (which generally escapes Christians). Adam was a type of Christ and Eve was a type of the Church. That is a lesson it itself.

Back to the OP. Working together should be for within the local assembly otherwise there are bound to be unnecessary problems.

But it is specific to Deacons and Bishops only.  The OT prohibited kings from multiplying wives unto themselves as Solomon did, but didn't prohibit the common man from doing so.  It is clearly not a transgression of the law and therefore not a sin. 

[Reinitin]

oh my