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5 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Not my words, look up the scriptures for yourself and learn. Here's a few to help you along, if that's not enough I'll give you more.

 

 

According to many Bible scholars and historians the great whore is identified as a great religious system, the Roman Catholic Church, which they claim will fulfil Rev. 17 and dominate the Antichrist for a short time during his rise over the ten kings and until the middle of the Week. Then the beast and the ten kings will destroy her (Rev. 17:9-17).

 

Even catholic divines admit Rev. 17 is a description of their church. (See the writings of Cardinal Ballarmine and the French Prelate. Boussuet.)

 

She has a name on her forehead, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT.

 

 

 

"THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS" Rev. 17:5. This name is certainly appropriate to Romanism. Hundreds of different branches of Christendom have been formed since the reformation. The word HARLOTS no doubt refers to these branches which will become more apostate as the age ends and will finally become united with Rome again to fulfil this revelation of things after the churches. Many churches are looking to Rome even now.

 

 

 

THE MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev. 17:5. This is very appropriate of Romanism. The many abominations started and practices by the ancient Babylonian cult and her present successor go far to identify this woman as a symbol of Romanism.

 

 

 

THE GREAT WHORE. Rev. 17: 1-2. She is called this because of her illicit intercourse with the kings of the Earth in religious practices and superstitions, and which give her influence over the nations of the ten kings.

 

 

 

And there are many more examples!!!!!

 

 

 

Even the attire worn by her clergy. Rev. 17:4. Scarlet is the color of Romanism, being reserved for the Pope and his cardinals. This religious denomination is the richest on Earth as pictured in this verse.

 

 

 

The drunkenness of this whore proves her to be Romanism. Rev. 17:6-7. This finger of accusation is no mere accident. While it refers to the martyrdom of saints "after the churches," by Romanism, still is it not common knowledge that this same persecution has gone on in past ages? It has been estimated that more than 200,000,000, people have been slain by Romanism in the past. These terrible days of persecution will come again, at least after the rapture of the church, and before Christ comes to the earth (Rev. 6: 9-11; 7:9-17.

 

And a man heads their church, not Christ.

No mortal man anywhere on Earth, in any country including Rome or even America, is or can be the leader of Christs Church. Jesus Christ is the Rock upon which the Christian church is built upon, not some man?

1 Corinthians 3:11, For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

(1 Corinthians 10:4: "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.").

Peter was just a "stone" (John 1:42 KJV: "...thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, "A stone."

Peter was never called by Jesus to lead or build His church, Peter himself stated that he was no more than a fellow elder; (1 Peter 5:1-9). The Pope is said to be infallible, or so were taught as children? Peter was not infallible for he was rebuked by Paul, (Galatians 2:1-11).

The New Testament Church is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive today. This present church is the ekklesia of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church in its largest signification, is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3: 1-11, Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. It is the body of Christ and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. And no man is its head or commander in chief.

Thanks again for your post, they are very informative, just don't pass them off as "straight out of the Word of God" when they are not.


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7 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

This should be titled the 'what if', 'maybe it will', 'my psychic told me' thread.  Those who walk around with their heads in possible CTs don't see the world staring them in the face.

 

11 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 ...This is precisely what has happened in Spain during the 2012 banking crisis over there. Since then it’s also happened in Cyprus, Greece…and it is now perfectly legal in the US courtesy of a clause in the Dodd-Frank bill. "

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-06/how-and-why-banks-will-seize-deposits-during-next-crisis

What if? It has already begun. All the nations of Europe have bank bail-in laws, just like the U.S. And some have already started bailing, as the post above shows. Cyprus was the test case.

6 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Everyone has to buy precious metals from a broker. If you don't think that the government doesn't have or can't get access to that information on who has bought precious metals from these vendors, you don't know our government's reach.

This is not entirely accurate. There is no record kept of the names of purchasers from storefront precious metals sellers or private dealers.

And for those who have taken this topic far afield into unrelated prophecies, at least stick to the subject and cite the 3rd Seal and Habakkuk 2.


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It was long time ago I read it, but it fits with this - because the Scripture is so clear,  a monkor a *jesuit anti-Jesus  came up with the false amillennial story to completely deceive everyone they could.  ...    

i.e. "amillennial is fabricated story" and contrary to Scripture: it ((basically, fully)) is known for sure, without any doubt to be false and deceptive and completely on purpose ((by the devil's plan)) ((permitted by Yahweh)).

39 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

I stated what I thought was a very unassuming view that there are something that are beyond our ability to know for sure.

7 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Not my words, look up the scriptures for yourself and learn. Here's a few to help you along, if that's not enough I'll give you more.

 

 

According to many Bible scholars and historians the great whore is identified as a great religious system, the Roman Catholic Church, which they claim will fulfil Rev. 17 and dominate the Antichrist for a short time during his rise over the ten kings and until the middle of the Week. Then the beast and the ten kings will destroy her (Rev. 17:9-17).

 

Even catholic divines admit Rev. 17 is a description of their church. (See the writings of Cardinal Ballarmine and the French Prelate. Boussuet.)

 

She has a name on her forehead, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT.

 

 

 

"THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS" Rev. 17:5. This name is certainly appropriate to Romanism. Hundreds of different branches of Christendom have been formed since the reformation. The word HARLOTS no doubt refers to these branches which will become more apostate as the age ends and will finally become united with Rome again to fulfil this revelation of things after the churches. Many churches are looking to Rome even now.

 

 

 

THE MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev. 17:5. This is very appropriate of Romanism. The many abominations started and practices by the ancient Babylonian cult and her present successor go far to identify this woman as a symbol of Romanism.

 

 

 

THE GREAT WHORE. Rev. 17: 1-2. She is called this because of her illicit intercourse with the kings of the Earth in religious practices and superstitions, and which give her influence over the nations of the ten kings.

 

 

 

And there are many more examples!!!!!

 

 

 

Even the attire worn by her clergy. Rev. 17:4. Scarlet is the color of Romanism, being reserved for the Pope and his cardinals. This religious denomination is the richest on Earth as pictured in this verse.

 

 

 

The drunkenness of this whore proves her to be Romanism. Rev. 17:6-7. This finger of accusation is no mere accident. While it refers to the martyrdom of saints "after the churches," by Romanism, still is it not common knowledge that this same persecution has gone on in past ages? It has been estimated that more than 200,000,000, people have been slain by Romanism in the past. These terrible days of persecution will come again, at least after the rapture of the church, and before Christ comes to the earth (Rev. 6: 9-11; 7:9-17.

 

And a man heads their church, not Christ.

No mortal man anywhere on Earth, in any country including Rome or even America, is or can be the leader of Christs Church. Jesus Christ is the Rock upon which the Christian church is built upon, not some man?

1 Corinthians 3:11, For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

(1 Corinthians 10:4: "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.").

Peter was just a "stone" (John 1:42 KJV: "...thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, "A stone."

Peter was never called by Jesus to lead or build His church, Peter himself stated that he was no more than a fellow elder; (1 Peter 5:1-9). The Pope is said to be infallible, or so were taught as children? Peter was not infallible for he was rebuked by Paul, (Galatians 2:1-11).

The New Testament Church is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes all those who are alive today. This present church is the ekklesia of the New Testament times, called out of this world to evangelize the world in this age.

The church in its largest signification, is the whole company of redeemed in all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3: 1-11, Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual people who have been made members of the universal family of God. It is the body of Christ and it does not consist of saved and unsaved. And no man is its head or commander in chief.

 


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Posted
15 minutes ago, Vendtre said:

Thanks again for your post, they are very informative, just don't pass them off as "straight out of the Word of God" when they are not.

The Scriptures, The Scriptures, The Scriptures, The Scriptures are straight out of the Word of God. How can we converse and or discuss doctrine without adding human language, words, phrases, just like Jesus and the disciples did. Imagine trying to get anything out of the Bible if it was written purely using Scriptures?

For example; Lets discuss the word "DRAW." Is it to draw something, draw a sword, draw water? How shall we discuss this? 

Without using human expression we can say this;  John 4:11, John 4:15, John 6:44, Hebrews 10:38? Did that help at all?

Or would it be better to say this?

John 4:11, The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
John 4:15, The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:38, Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


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John 4:11, The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Is she talking about drawing a picture of the water?

John 4:15, The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Was she suggesting Jesus was an artist sketching the well?

John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Is the Father supposed to draw a picture of the one He wants Jesus to save?

Hebrews 10:38, Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Draw back, how dose he mean draw back?

Ridiculous isn't it. We need to be able to talk and we need to take what we read as literal where eve possible and use our God given common sense all the way.


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Yes. We must add our own words to discuss the word of God, we just have to be careful not to give our words the same weight as His


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Posted
2 hours ago, Vendtre said:

I likely know more than either of you,

 

Why do you assume you have it figured out and all the others are wrong?

Anyone else see a contradiction in these two statements? 

You know more than the others (that is, you have it all figured out that their belief  that they are right is definitely wrong), but you chastise them for the assumption that they have it all figured out lol.


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3 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Anyone else see a contradiction in these two statements? 

You know more than the others (that is, you have it all figured out that their belief  that they are right is definitely wrong), but you chastise them for the assumption that they have it all figured out lol.

You misunderstand, I do not have it all figure out except to know that we will never know for sure who is right until it happens.  The pre-trib folks could well be right, but none of us will know for sure till it happens.

There is an old riddle "what does the wise man know"...the answer is nothing because the wise man seeks knowledge always. 

I am not so bold as to assume I have figured out what people have been debating for 2000 years.


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8 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Anyone else see a contradiction in these two statements? 

You know more than the others (that is, you have it all figured out that their belief  that they are right is definitely wrong), but you chastise them for the assumption that they have it all figured out lol.

:P


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1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

Thank you. He sure does, and all we need do is believe what He says and quote His words. And to think, a simple hard working, God denying, thief, a cursing, sinning underground coal miner who spent years trying to disprove the Bible? Then over the years, mates started getting killed and I'm standing there not a scratch? I started asking why me? When God calls, one has to listen.

Now here's a simple Scripture worth remembering;

Jesus said; John 6:44, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Amen.  :)

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