If life is in the blood, does God allow blood transfusions ?

[RustyAngeL]

On 3/6/2016 at 9:47 PM, Qnts2 said:

Life is in the blood, and the laws which restrict partaking of blood, are laws concerning food.

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

So do you not believe in blood transfusions ?

[simplejeff]

It doesn't matter . 

LIke eating meat.  Some people do.  Some people don't.

That in and of itself doesn't matter.

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

His air-breathing body ("soul") was poured out unto death; that is, He bled out and died by exsanguination, blood being the medium by which His body's cells received their oxygen!

Your rather disjointed ramble didn't really address the nature of the soul. How does "an air-breathing body" become "poured out?" What kind of body can be poured out? Only one that is not made of earthly elements. "The soul of the flesh is in the blood," but it is not the blood, nor any physical element thereof.

When you are able to comprehend how there are non-tangible soul-bodies, and non-tangible spirit-bodies, and non-tangible light bodies, and entirely tangible flesh bodies, and all of these are co-existent as one human being, then maybe we could have a real discussion.

[Qnts2]

4 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

So do you not believe in blood transfusions ?

I think transfusions are fine as there are no laws against transfusions. There is a law against eating blood which is introduced before the Mosaic law, to Noah, and repeated in the NT that the Gentiles are not to partake of blood. 

[simplejeff]

What of those who never hear ? Or, is it worse? who don't care ? 

15 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

I think transfusions are fine as there are no laws against transfusions. There is a law against eating blood which is introduced before the Mosaic law, to Noah, and repeated in the NT that the Gentiles are not to partake of blood. 

 

[OldSchool2]

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 8:41 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

here is a topic that I want to place into two parts actually ?

first part, I know that there is a group that does not allow blood transfusions, for it is against there belief,

this is what I was told , but never really got any real facts on this case....

Jehovah's Witness aka The Watchtower, LLC, doesn't need any real facts for their unbiblical beliefs.

[RustyAngeL]

16 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

I think transfusions are fine as there are no laws against transfusions. There is a law against eating blood which is introduced before the Mosaic law, to Noah, and repeated in the NT that the Gentiles are not to partake of blood. 

I sure hope it's OK to have a blood transfusion because over my life time I have had about seven of them.

[RustyAngeL]

Just now, RustyAngeL said:

1 minute ago, RustyAngeL said:

I sure hope it's OK to have a blood transfusion because over my life time I have had about seven of them.

I sure hope it's OK to have a blood transfusion because over my life time I have had about seven of them.

I would also like to add what in the world does getting a blood transfusion have to do with "eating" blood and as far as I know there are no laws agains getting them.  

[Retrobyter]

18 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Your rather disjointed ramble didn't really address the nature of the soul. How does "an air-breathing body" become "poured out?" What kind of body can be poured out? Only one that is not made of earthly elements. "The soul of the flesh is in the blood," but it is not the blood, nor any physical element thereof.

When you are able to comprehend how there are non-tangible soul-bodies, and non-tangible spirit-bodies, and non-tangible light bodies, and entirely tangible flesh bodies, and all of these are co-existent as one human being, then maybe we could have a real discussion.

Actually, the wording is backwards. The Hebrew is ...

Bree’shiyt (Genesis) 9:4
4 Akh baasaar bnafshow daamow lo’ to’keeluw:
JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH

4 Akh = 4 But
baasaar = flesh
bnafshow = in-his-breather/"soul"
daamow = his-blood
lo’ = not
to’keeluw: = you-shall-eat:

4 But flesh in-his-breather his-blood not you-shall-eat:

It's not the "air-breathing body" that is "poured out"; it was His BLOOD that carried the air (oxygen) he breathed that was poured out!

Look, just go back to Genesis 2:7 and take what is said at full value. Take it carefully word by word!

Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (NOTE: not "formed the man's body," but "formed MAN!")
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul. (the man BECAME a living air-breather!)
KJV

Here's the Hebrew:

Breeshiyt (Genesis) 2:7
7 Vayiytser YHWH Elohiym et haa’aadaam `aafaar min haa’adaamaah vayipach b’apaayv nishmat chayiym vayhiy haa’aadaam l-nefesh chayaah:
JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH

7 Vayiytser = 7 And-formed
YHWH = YaHuWH/the LORD
Elohiym = God
et = (following is the direct object)
haa’aadaam = the-man/the-Adam
`aafaar = of-dust
min = from
haa’adaamaah = the-red-ground
vayipach = and-breathed
b’apaayv = in-his-nostrils
nishmat = a-breath/a-puff
chayiym = of-life
vayhiy = and-became
haa’aadaam = the-man/the-Adam
l-nefesh = to-a-breathing-creature/to-a-breather
chayaah: = living:

7 And-formed YaHuWH/the LORD God the-man/the-Adam of-dust from the-red-ground and-breathed in-his-nostrils a-breath of-life and-became the-man/the-Adam to-a-breathing-creature/to-a-breather living:

Also, look at Genesis 7:21-22:

Genesis 7:21-22
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
KJV

Here's the Hebrew:

B-reshiyt 7:21-22
21 Vayigva` kaal bazaar haaromees `al haa’aarets baa`owf uwVabheemaah uwVahayaah uwVkhaal hasherets hashoreets `al haa’aarets vkhol haa’aadaam:
22 Kol asher nishmat ruwach chayiym b’apaayv mikol asher bechaaraaVaah meetuw:
JPS Hebrew-Greek TANAKH

21 Vayigva` = 21 And-died
kaal = all
baasaar = flesh
haaromees = the-moving/creeping/crawling
`al = upon
haa’aarets = the-earth/land
baa`owf = in-the-birds
uwVabheemaah = and-in-the-cattle
uwVahayaah and-in-the-beasts/living-creatures
uwVkhaal = and-in-all
hasherets = the-creeping/crawling-thing
hashoreets = that-creeps/crawls
`al = upon
haa’aarets = the-earth/land
vkhol = and-all
haa’aadaam: = the-human-beings:

22 Kol = 22 All
asher = whose
nishmat = a-puff
ruwach = of-wind
chayiym = of-life
b’apaayv = in-its-nostrils
mikol = from-all
asher = whose
bechaaraaVaah = in-the-dry-(land)
meetuw: = died:

21 And-died all flesh the-moving/creeping/crawling upon the-earth/land in-the-birds and-in-the-cattle and-in-the-beasts/living-creatures and-in-all the-creeping/crawling-thing that-creeps/crawls upon the-earth/land and-all the-human-beings:

22 All whose a-puff of-wind of-life in-its-nostrils from-all whose in-the-dry-(land) died:

In the original Hebrew, it's not so difficult. A "soul" is just an air-breather, and the word "soul" has NOTHING to do with some "immaterial part" of man.

[WilliamL]

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

4 Akh = 4 But
baasaar = flesh
bnafshow = in-his-breather/"soul"

daamow = his-blood

Retrobyter, your Hebrew is like a cook who has all the ingredients, but doesn't know how to put them together to make a meal. There is no understanding in your sentences, you are just stringing together concordance definitions. The Hebrew preposition b- means either in or with: the correct translation here is therefore: "But flesh with its soul of its blood you shall not eat." Which merely repeats the concept from Lev. 17:11: "The soul of the flesh is in blood..."

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

It's not the "air-breathing body" that is "poured out"; it was His BLOOD that carried the air (oxygen) he breathed that was poured out!

... A "soul" is just an air-breather, and the word "soul" has NOTHING to do with some "immaterial part" of man.

Isaiah says something quite different:

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death...

John 17:11 ...My Father loves Me, because I lay down My soul that I may take it again. 12 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

Jesus did not "lay down his blood," he "lay down his soul." The soul is in the blood, but it is not the blood. Jesus did not take up his blood again, he took up his soul again. That soul is not flesh and is not blood. And air-breathers don't descend to Hell, where there is no air/oxygen to breathe. Souls descend to Hell.

You cannot understand Mysteries of the non-physical worlds using definitions from the physical world.