Divorce is not of God; God hates putting away.

[kwikphilly]

Don't bother,I am not one to entertain nonsense...........my "thoughts"are irrevelant......Gods Will is all that matters........Let's probe your thoughts,do you believe it is God's Will that a person(male or female) be beaten?........

[kwikphilly]

You are aware of the fact that it is against the Law,ever heard of Domestic Violence Laws? The Word of God tells us we should respect our Authorities & obey the Laws that are  in place ,do they not? We are to Love one another as we love ourselves? Doesn't Jesus say that is all the commandments right there?A husband should love his wife as Christ loves the church,,,I cannot imagine our Lord beating anyone!

It would be ideal for the 2 to reconcile & God could certainly free(deliver) the abuser of those spirits of anger & violence but unless that person comes to God for help ,,,,there is no help,they could go to counceling for many many many years,without Jesus,,,,,no good! The abused person (in Christ) has no problem with forgiveness or reconciliation,,,,,but there are 3 in the equation him,her & God,,,,,,,

I am beginning to believe that if the sky was blue you would say it was orange,,,,,,,,,,

[kwikphilly]

No emotion,just facts,,,,,,,,,here you go again,when people don't agree with you they are either "angry" or emotional or whatever,,,,,,,,,,,I don't WANT any answer from you,you keep quoting me & asking questions,,,,,,,,,you do it on every thread,,,,,,,,,,Trust me,I'd much prefer if you didn't reply on a topic you know nothing about,,,,,,,,,,,you say people have the nerve to say(or however you phrased it) that they get divorced & claim to have the Peace of God,better believe it but how would you know unless you lived it,,,,you don't know

[johnc5055]

Thank you for this topic, it has caused me to look deeper into God’s word for clarity (that’s always a good thing). I am divorced for a few years and I had biblical grounds for divorce according to Matthew 19. I told myself that many times as I was going through the pain and guilt that followed my decision to divorce, I can’t say it helped much. I saw this thread and started reading and I was a little surprised at what I found.

There are two different Hebrew/Greek words that have become comingled, both are translated “divorce” in many of our translations. Some translations more accurately distinguish between “divorce” and “put away”. Combining the two terms leads to what I think is a convoluted interpretation. I think that by knowing the difference between “divorce” and “put away”, the scripture becomes more clear.

kerithuth in Hebrew; kәritut in Greek = divorce or divorcement. This is noun describing a legal action, there is paperwork involved! This word appears in scripture 4 times, all in the old testament (Deut 24:1, Deut 24:3, Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8). In each place this term is speaking of a legal divorce. In Matthew 5:31 The Greek term is apostasion, translates “letter of divorce”. This again is a noun and refers to the actual legal document.

Shalach or sallah in Hebrew; apolua in Greek = To put away/separate/send or send forth. This is a verb and it does not necessarily refer to a legal divorce but rather the act of separation. This word is found in several places in the new and old testament. In Genesis it is translated “sent forth”, not really having anything to do with divorce. In Malachi 2:16 it refers to “put away” rather than divorce.

The Malachi 2:16 reference is insightful.

NIV - The man who hates and divorces his wife,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “does violence to the one he should protect,”says the Lord Almighty.

KJV For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

KJV says that God is the one who hates putting away and NIV says the “man” hates. In any event, the practice of “putting away” (the more correct translation of the Hebrew word “sallah”) is likened with violence and treachery. Why is that? Is God saying that divorce – something that he allowed in Deuteronomy – is violent or treacherous? Perhaps He is but I don’t think that is accurate. This “putting away” of a wife without divorcing her was abusive. Since most women were dependent on their husbands for their basic needs, to leave her without giving a legal divorce meant that she was not only cut off from her husband’s support, she could not legally re-marry so that another man could support her. This put women in a desperate situation.

Now consider this context when Jesus spoke of it in Matthew 19:9. If a man chooses to “separate” from or “put away” his legal wife, and then re-marries, he is committing adultery. I think that “adultery” is completely accurate and in context since he is still legally married to his first wife. Furthermore, he causes his legal wife to commit adultery (since she too is still legally married). If that were not the case, why would it be adultery to divorce and re-marry but it’s not adultery if she has been sexually immoral? That seems duplicitous! My Lord is not duplicitous. It just makes more sense that Jesus is talking about putting away rather than divorcing (I make the assumption that a husband would be justified to “put away” his wife if she is unfaithful).

If God allows a legally documented divorce – according to His word in Deuteronomy – and the divorced person re-marries, does that person commit adultery? Maybe that is what Jesus is saying in Matthew 19:9 but I don't think so. Maybe I stand alone but I am of the opinion that a spouse that is abused in some way is not pleasing God by “taking it on the chin” in the name of Jesus. I would never suggest downplaying the practice of divorce. I live in the US and our culture has downplayed the significance of divorce and up-played things that are considered abusive; things that would justify the choice to divorce. I would simply say that distinguishing between divorce and putting away in the bible provides more clarity. It also better answers many of the tough questions we see around the world where marriages sometimes include abuse or enslavement. I would never call a woman who was forced to marry against her will an “adulteress” for escaping that situation and someday finding a loving husband. I also would not apply that label to a divorced woman in my own culture that remarries.

[Snow]

A simple question for algots, if you care to respond.. Do you think All marriages are blessed by God?

[RustyAngeL]

6 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings......

    What that woman needs is Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is a lot more to it for sure ,she also needs our prayers              

Yes prayers are what she needs most.  

[appy]

A person can NOT be both an abuser and have Christ like actions and qualities at the same time. Any individual who claims to know and serve Jesus but abuses his or her family is a hypocrite of the worst kind. Abuse is not just limited to physical damage but also emotional distress by using abusive language or behavior with specific intent to demean, intimidate, threaten and tear down. In a marriage ceremony the bride and groom both promise to love and honor one another. When either of the spouses abuses the other, then the promise they made was a lie.

Both emotional and / or physical abuse violates the command to love and honer God with all your heart and mind.

Both emotional and / or physical abuse violates the command to love one another as Christ loves us

Both emotional and /or physical abuse violates the command that husbands are to love their wives just as wives are to submit to the husband

Both emotional and /or physical abuse violates the command to live the Christian life through the denying of self

Both emotional and /or physical abuse violates the command that as Christians we are to have wholesome speech

Both emotional and / or physical abuse shows that the abuser has pride and lacks the fear of God

Both emotional and /or physical abuse causes the abuser to feel that he or she deserves glory, honor, and praise.

Both emotional and / or physical abuse is betrayal to God and people by trying to be like God and deceiving others.

People who get enjoyment out of abusing a spouse and it doesn't matter which gender does the abuse. Are people who do not want to change. They are not willing to change. So in most situations the only option for the victims is divorce. Divorce in this case allows the victims to get completely away from the abuser. Abusers can never be trusted, because they can not or will not control their own emotions. An abuser resists the call to repentance, either by overtly fighting against having to take responsibility for his or her abusive behavior, or by counterfeiting repentance to get the admonishers off his/her back and make them think he/she is really changing.

Along with unfaithfulness, abuse of spouse and / or family is a valid reason for a divorce to take place. Since both have already abandoned the marriage through their actions. No one likes to be abused, and I'm very sure that those who claim that other people have to stay with an abusive spouse, would NOT enjoy being abused themselves in any shape or form. So why put the same burden on someone else, that you , yourself would not want to happen.

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[RustyAngeL]

On 4/7/2016 at 2:53 PM, kwikphilly said:

You are aware of the fact that it is against the Law,ever heard of Domestic Violence Laws? The Word of God tells us we should respect our Authorities & obey the Laws that are  in place ,do they not? We are to Love one another as we love ourselves? Doesn't Jesus say that is all the commandments right there?A husband should love his wife as Christ loves the church,,,I cannot imagine our Lord beating anyone!

It would be ideal for the 2 to reconcile & God could certainly free(deliver) the abuser of those spirits of anger & violence but unless that person comes to God for help ,,,,there is no help,they could go to counceling for many many many years,without Jesus,,,,,no good! The abused person (in Christ) has no problem with forgiveness or reconciliation,,,,,but there are 3 in the equation him,her & God,,,,,,,

I am beginning to believe that if the sky was blue you would say it was orange,,,,,,,,,,

Amen.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings my Horsey Lover Sis!!!!! (giggling appy)

     Well dear,,,,,you hit the nail on the head (several times with your references to Gods Will) ,,,,,,just as I was trying to express the emphasis in Jesus very Words "IF you love me,you will ..........."    It is not a suggestion,it is a fact,His commandments,Gods Truth,,,,,, You have said it well Sister!

    " A person can NOT be both an abuser and have Christ like actions and qualities at the same time. Any individual who claims to know and serve Jesus but abuses his or her family is a hypocrite of the worst kind. "

      " When either of the spouses abuses the other, then the promise they made was a lie. "

"Both emotional and / or physical abuse violates the command to love and honer God with all your heart and mind.

Both emotional and / or physical abuse violates the command to love one another as Christ loves us"

You & I (and any Born Again Believer) knows that there is NOTHING that God cannot do,NOTHING is impossible WITH God & He can make the worst,most despicable,horrible person into a New Creature in Christ Jesus     BUT only if THEY WANT TO change(repentant),,,,,,you really got it,the majority are not willing & do not believe they have done anything that requires forgiveness,they are usually in complete denial & blame everyone else for their own behavior,............they are their own god,......so sad,so lost,they need Jesus

Thank you for saying it all so well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in the Word of God                                 With love-in Christ,Kwik

I do hope everyone(abused,past abused & never abused) will understand better & also understand these are people(abusers)that are in bondage,strongholds and they really need prayers,they are just sinners that need Jesus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[kwikphilly]

Blessings John

    Welcome to Worthy,,,,,I can see that in your due diligence & hunger for Gods Word the Holy Spirit has Blessed you with Wisdom & Understanding ,this is always the result of seeking God with an earnest heart,,,,,,,may God continue to Bless you & guide you.......

" Since most women were dependent on their husbands for their basic needs, to leave her without giving a legal divorce meant that she was not only cut off from her husband’s support, she could not legally re-marry so that another man could support her. This put women in a desperate situation."

That is exactly right,,,,,,,,,you got it!!!!! "Distinguishing between divorce and putting away in the Bible provides more clarity" and to understand that (for most women) having to "leave"a marriage or 'escape" abuse by leaving is also a  terrible & abusive position for the person to be in because of the one who was supposed to protect,provide & keep her safe         It is not an easy situation & I do not know how anyone could get through it without Jesus,,,,,,,I am like you ,I would never tell anyone to get a divorce,I would tell them not to make ANY decision without God..........

   Nice to meet you John,keep posting,,,,,,,be Blessed & be a Blessing in Christ Jesus                       With Love,Kwik