The Sabbath and Sunday Worship.

[hmbld]

12 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

The Bible teaches Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly and satisfied the holy, righteous requirement of God in doing so ... all that teach otherwise will answer for their teaching! Here is a good understanding of this issue http://www.biblesabbath.org/tss/515/sabbath.html  Love, Steven

Thanks Steven, that link answered several questions I had!  One quote from the article:

What was the nature of these traditional ordinances? "The Halakah indicated with the most minute and painful punctiliousness [attention to detail] every legal ordinance as to outward observance.... But beyond this it left the inner man, the spring of actions, untouched."

[hmbld]

37 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

The Bible teaches Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly and satisfied the holy, righteous requirement of God in doing so ... all that teach otherwise will answer for their teaching! Here is a good understanding of this issue http://www.biblesabbath.org/tss/515/sabbath.html  Love, Steven

I looked around the site some more, it seems to be an association promoting saturday sabbath keeping as sunday sabbath is a false shadow I think they called it?

[Just a Mirror]

8 hours ago, WailingWall said:

I dont understand your reasoning??? If Jesus says He made the sabbath for man as a day of rest why in the world would man look for another day of rest. What do you say to Christ??? Thanks but no thanks

Are you a scientist? You are trying to analyze a verse with your brain and not with your heart.

OK people, I understand spiritual things are hard to grasp sometimes but this legalism is getting out of hand.

The Sabbath is revealed differently over time, depending on the Covenant. (yesterday, today, forever, ROGER.)

Before The flood, I'm sure that they kept the same feasts, and if they worshipped the Creator, would go up to a High place, maybe on the Sabbath.

Before Christ's manifestation as The Lamb, They were Commanded, LEGALISM, to keep the Sabbath, to set them apart from the world.

Christ walked in the flesh, IN the old testament, soo of course He kept the Sabbath, maybe not as MEN commanded, but He knew better.

Now we LIVE EVERYDAY AS IT IS THE SABBATH, We worship in Truth and Spirit, Everyday. Doing no evil everyday.

"Take up your cross everyday, for My load is light and My yoke is easy." Understand?

Yes, by all means take a day off from your physical labors, don't burn yourself out, but don't think that somehow you are holier by doing soo.

We have all been forgiven, all been redeemed, all been white washed, we all strive for the goal, but it is not found in a particular day, it is found in all your days.

Soon we will enjoy a permanent Sabbath found by being with and in our Lord and Savior, the sooner the better for us, but we have work that still need be done, others to invite, do not forget why we are here.

May our God reveal many Truths to you. Amen.

 

[Just a Mirror]

On 1/21/2017 at 7:57 AM, WailingWall said:

Scripture above does not even come close to mentioning the sabbath or a day of rest.

Apparently they speak of celebrating birthdays and secular holidays in the bible, they would never speak of religious observances, lol.

[enoob57]

4 hours ago, hmbld said:

I looked around the site some more, it seems to be an association promoting saturday sabbath keeping as sunday sabbath is a false shadow I think they called it?

As God has so taught us -that His ways exceed ours we can expect tension in our demands of conclusion in things... and as with most things there are ditches on both sides of the narrow path! Having been taught the observation of certain day no longer an issue I only referenced the article to understand that what was being foisted upon The Son of God as breaking the law was indeed not so. It was their interpretation of work according to the fourth commandment that was in error...

Matthew 5:17 (KJV)

[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

fulfilling the law meant to satisfy it's demands to the nth degree as the jot or tittle refers...
Love, Steven

 

[WailingWall]

On 1/22/2017 at 8:09 AM, other one said:

If you are not a born again Christian then you are still under the curse of those laws, but if you are a born again Christian you are to live under His commands, not the ones given through Moses.

It's not really that hard to understand.

Well otherone. So why dont you understand what it means to be "born again"?  According to scripture being "born again" happens when we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Thats when our corruptible puts on the incorruptible. This only makes sense because we are givin new bodies before entering the kingdom

PHIL.3 [20] For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:[21] WHO SHALL CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1PETER1

[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.

[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;

[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

1COR.15

[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........

[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}

[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.

[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Alls ya really gotta do is read 1Peter1{23} and 1Cor.15{53} and youll understand what it means to be “born again”

[Guest shiloh357]

20 minutes ago, WailingWall said:

Well otherone. So why dont you understand what it means to be "born again"?  According to scripture being "born again" happens when we are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Thats when our corruptible puts on the incorruptible. This only makes sense because we are givin new bodies before entering the kingdom

That's not when being born again takes place.  You are born again when you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.  At that time, you are filled with the Holy Spirit and become a child of God.

Being changed in the twinkling of an eye only happens to believers who were born again.  Being changed in the twinkling of an eye is not being born again.  It is being transformed, physically. And we are already in the Kingdom.

Sorry, but your teaching is false and is rejected by truly born again believers in Jesus. 

[WailingWall]

19 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That's not when being born again takes place.  You are born again when you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.  At that time, you are filled with the Holy Spirit and become a child of God.

Being changed in the twinkling of an eye only happens to believers who were born again.  Being changed in the twinkling of an eye is not being born again.  It is being transformed, physically. And we are already in the Kingdom.

Sorry, but your teaching is false and is rejected by truly born again believers in Jesus. 

So what part of those scriptures do you not believe. Its right there in the written Word. Cant be misinterpreted. Its plain as day.

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, WailingWall said:

So what part of those scriptures do you not believe. Its right there in the written Word. Cant be misinterpreted. Its plain as day.

I believe everything those Scriptures say.   I reject the way you twist and pervert them to support your false teachings.

[WailingWall]

33 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That's not when being born again takes place.  You are born again when you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.  At that time, you are filled with the Holy Spirit and become a child of God.

You say you were saved and then say the specific day that they were born again. That doesnt fit with scripture ole boy.

ROMANS 8 [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? [25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Scripture above says you are saved by hope and hope that is seen is not of hope. Now if someone claims they are already saved {born again} then what does he hope for?

1PETER1 [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;

Hope to the end. Grace! When? Born again when Christ returns.