the scripture of Genesis Water above, and water below the heavens ?

[OakWood]

Just now, hmbld said:

You are creating all kinds of questions for me here, I am sure its been covered many times before, but if there is no outer space, what do we see through telescopes?  Where does the sun go when night comes?  Why doesn't the sunrise occurs at exactly the same time every morning for the entire earth?  Why can I see satellites "hovering" in the sky if they are not there?

What we see through telescopes are the Sun. Moon and stars etc. They are real but are much smaller than we have been told and are not us far away. They are on or near the ceiling above us. I don't know how big the Sun is but we are told that it is many, many times bigger than the Earth and is ninety-three million miles away, but in reality it is smaller and maybe just a couple of hundred miles above us. Parallax tests from high altitude amateur weather balloons have shown that the Sun is a lot closer than we think.

As for the movement of the Sun and sunrise and so on.... there is a Flat Earth model online that explains this. The Sun moves across the sky in a spiralling motion.

I don't know what those satellites are that you see, but are you sure they are man-made? If you look at a jet airliner flying above you, it's little more than a tiny speck and it's only at 30,000 feet, yet they want us to believe that you can see something similar in size that is supposed to be hundreds of miles above us in low orbit.

[Paradigm]

Are the other planets, stars, etc in our solar system and our sun and moon also flat. Does anything orbit? Are electrons that orbit the nucleus of the atom or the atoms themselves flat or are atoms a deception. 

Can telescopes be trusted for anything? If not, what texts and scientific instruments can we trust in. Can we really trust a compass? Is the earth completely stationary? How deep can we drill down into the earth before a hole is created that someone could fall through? Does anyone or anything live on the bottom of the flat earth? 

 

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, Paradigm said:

Are the other planets, stars, etc in our solar system and our sun and moon also flat. Does anything orbit? Are electrons that orbit the nucleus of the atom or the atoms themselves flat or are atoms a deception. 

Can telescopes be trusted for anything? If not, what texts and scientific instruments can we trust in. Can we really trust a compass? Is the earth completely stationary? How deep can we drill down into the earth before a hole is created that someone could fall through? Does anyone or anything live on the bottom of the flat earth? 

 

I use to believe if we drill deep enough we would end up in china, but then I saw the light , and it was a funny saying at one, time but now, its all changed , and then I drew up , to see that we have lived a big lie,

Jesus continues to tell us, do not let any man Deceive you , for if they could ,they would try to fool the elect ? 

I believe this has much weight to it, and is a heavy statement , that we take lightly, ? check it out, how many times it is told to us,

 and to watch , and be alert, and to have our oils always filled with oil ? we need to understand the simple, is what over takes the wise, ?

blessings and peace....

[OakWood]

7 minutes ago, Paradigm said:

Are the other planets, stars, etc in our solar system and our sun and moon also flat. Does anything orbit? Are electrons that orbit the nucleus of the atom or the atoms themselves flat or are atoms a deception. 

Can telescopes be trusted for anything? If not, what texts and scientific instruments can we trust in. Can we really trust a compass? Is the earth completely stationary? How deep can we drill down into the earth before a hole is created that someone could fall through? Does anyone or anything live on the bottom of the flat earth? 

 

Telescopes can be just as trusted as your naked eye. In fact when you look through the telescope at the Moon, you see the Moon as it really is. Of course, a telescope will not tell you what the Moon is made out of or how far away it really is, it just magnifies it and makes it clearer to look at. As for the planets being round or not, I've no idea. They may be round, they may be flat disks - who knows? They are merely lights in heaven that God made for us.

As for trusting a compass, yes you can trust one. There are magnetic rocks near the North Pole and that is why a compass points North. In fact if the Earth was a Globe then a compass would have problems working. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line and a compass would try to point downwards through the Earth in order to point at the North Pole.

[SINNERSAVED]

I forgot to mention, did you know that there is a lot that Google earth and sky  cannot be seen, and if you want to find something out , where do you go for the answers to your questions ? yes , it is all set for our understanding and what they want us to know,  does that make it true or right, ? or have we really been duped, ? food for thought , not conspiracy , here but facts, think about it ???

seek God ,while He may be found, and you will find Him, it is with in, your ,heart mind and spirit , not in GPS, or a APP ? do you get it ?

[hmbld]

18 minutes ago, OakWood said:

Good question. Try to book a flight in the Southern hemisphere and you will find that there are stopovers in places that seem ridiculous on a Globe Earth but make perfect sense on the Flat Earth model. If you book a flight from Cape Town, South Africa to Auckland in New Zealand they make you land in Dubai. It should be a straight line across the Indian Ocean but instead they take you in the wrong direction, northwards to Dubai where you land and then fly southwards towards New Zealand. It doesn't make sense. If you don't believe me try checking these flights for yourself.

Of course if the Earth is flat it makes sense because it's too far to fly from Cape Town straight to Auckland. Stopping at Dubai makes sense because it's more or less a straight line.

There are some very, very unusual things about international flight paths in the so-called Southern Hemisphere. There are some flights that should be non-stop but you just can't get them.

Flights often do not travel in straight lines to final destinations if they route for maximum passenger number efficiency.  You conveniently changed my example from south america to australia, to south Africa to New Zealand.  Quantas airlines flies from Sydney to Santiago in estimated 14 hours 15 minutes, far less than possible if using flat earth map.  

[OakWood]

8 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Flights often do not travel in straight lines to final destinations if they route for maximum passenger number efficiency.  You conveniently changed my example from south america to australia, to south Africa to New Zealand.  Quantas airlines flies from Sydney to Santiago in estimated 14 hours 15 minutes, far less than possible if using flat earth map.  

Does this flight really exist? And no I have not conveniently changed anything. That was the best example I could give. I'm not a walking encyclopedia.

If you want more proof. Try checking out Mark Sargent's Flat Earth video. He has been documenting Southern Hemisphere flights for some time and it's virtually impossible to get direct flights across these oceans. Either the flight is cancelled at the last minute or it stops over at what seems like a ridiculous place to stop on a globe Earth with the claim that it has been delayed. You need to investigate this and really I can't answer all your questions, I'm sorry - but I gave you an example to show you that this question has already been raised and thoroughly investigated. Every time a non-stop flight was advertised, it either claimed to have sold too many tickets or it's flight path was suspiciously changed. Flat-Earthers have even tried to track these flights using GPS but they mysteriously 'drop-off' the system once they are above certain oceans.

[Retrobyter]

2 hours ago, OakWood said:

How do you get the four corners of Earth on a globe?

I asked you first.

[SINNERSAVED]

I would say the four corners ,  round or square  ?could still be a flat earth , for we know that we are given scriptures as far as the east is from the west

 does that give you a relevant of what distance could be, ?? could it be the same, for we are told, as far as the east is from the west,

 I would see that it tells us in a simple way of what could possibly be  a end to a end , and a side from another side,  a limit to the points of a end in distance,

thank you i hope this sounds possible , it does to me

[OakWood]

42 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

I asked you first.

I don't know,maybe it's an expression like the four points of the compass. If the Earth is indeed fixed on pillars then maybe there are corners on the pillars. The point is it's a stupid question because it applies even less to a Globe Earth.

I don't know - maybe it's something like this with a square base around it.