the scripture of Genesis Water above, and water below the heavens ?

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, OakWood said:

How do you get the four corners of Earth on a globe?

Shalom, OakWood.

Since you answered my question, I will answer your question. I don't get "four corners." I get "four quarters!"

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
KJV

The phrase in Isaiah 11:12 in Hebrew is "mee'arba` kanfowt haa'aarets," literally, "from-four wings of-the-earth," and "kanfowt" is the feminine plural of "kaanaaf": 

OT:3671 kaanaaf (kaw-nawf'); from OT:3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:
KJV -  bird, border, corner, end, feather [-ed],  flying,  (one an-) other, overspreading,  quarters, skirt,  sort, uttermost part, wing ([-ed]).

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

As I said before, we still divide the globe into an east hemisphere and a west hemisphere, using the prime meridian (and the international date line) as the dividing point, and we also talk about the northern and the southern hemispheres using the equator as the dividing point. That divides the globe into four quarters: NW, NE, SW, and SE.

[OakWood]

38 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, OakWood.

Since you answered my question, I will answer your question. I don't get "four corners." I get "four quarters!"

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
KJV

The phrase in Isaiah 11:12 in Hebrew is "mee'arba` kanfowt haa'aarets," literally, "from-four wings of-the-earth," and "kanfowt" is the feminine plural of "kaanaaf": 

OT:3671 kaanaaf (kaw-nawf'); from OT:3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:
KJV -  bird, border, corner, end, feather [-ed],  flying,  (one an-) other, overspreading,  quarters, skirt,  sort, uttermost part, wing ([-ed]).

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

As I said before, we still divide the globe into an east hemisphere and a west hemisphere, using the prime meridian (and the international date line) as the dividing point, and we also talk about the northern and the southern hemispheres using the equator as the dividing point. That divides the globe into four quarters: NW, NE, SW, and SE.

Likewise, 'four quarters' would still work on a round flat disc. There are still NW, NE, SW and SE. It doesn't have to apply to a Globe any more than it would apply to a Flat Earth or a square Earth. You're merely adapting the phrase the 'four quarters' to what you believe the Earth to be like. I agree that I am doing the same but my argument is not resting on the 'four quarters' statement. There are other Biblical arguments raised that are nonsense when applied to a Globe Earth.

In short, the Bible does not claim a Flat Earth but it definitely argues against a spinning globe!

One has to jump through hoops and come out with all sorts of excuses in order to make scripture complement the Global Heliocentric model. 'It's just an expression', 'it's just symbolic' and so on. Stars falling out of the sky  and people building a tower to reach heaven are simple to understand on a Flat Earth with a firmament dome above it - you really have to stretch credibility to make them fit in with the 'vast universe' model.

When people start to make fit scripture fit in with the heliocentric model then they have to start claiming that most of the Biblical descriptions of the Earth are not literal, and if you believe in the Heliocentric model then you can't really believe that the Flood was real either, then that too becomes symbolic.

Before you know it, the entire Bible becomes symbolic and then God doesn't really exist either.

God does not lie to us and when he uses symbolism he often lets us know that it is symbolism. Genesis describes the Earth and so does the Book of Job. If the Earth was a spinning globe then why didn't God just tell us that in the first place instead of using terms such as 'pillars' and 'firmament'? Is he trying to confuse us and make us doubt his existence or his truthfulness?

There are many things that the Flat Earthers can't answer but they raise questions that Globe-Earthers definitely can't answer.

In fact Globe-Earthers are stumped when they are confronted with some Flat-Earth questions that scientifically cast doubt on the Globe model. When that happens the Globe-Earthers resort to asking questions that they know Flat-Earthers don't yet have the answer to in order to make Flat Earth claims appear stupid. For example Globe-Earthers can't explain why the horizon always remains at eye-level no matter how high you go. This is impossible on a Globe, but rather than explain this they resort to asking other questions such as "so how high is this dome?". When Flat-Earthers can't answer this, they are then mocked. But we don't know exactly how high the dome is and the powers-that-be aren't going to let us send anything up there to measure or travel across the wilderness of Antarctica to find the wall.

There are a number of facts that completely discredit the globe model and the only explanation that globers have, when they bother to give one is "it's an optical illusion". They conveniently find an optical illusion to explain everything that discredits their heliocentric model. When it's explained to them that the Chicago skyline can be seen across Lake Michigan at distances that would be impossible if the Earth was curved, they explain it away as a grand mirage, but what they forget is that a grand mirage always inverts the image, yet the skyline is seen the right way up.

When certain Lunar eclipses are shown to be impossible because the shadow is on the 'wrong side' they come out with the optical illusion claim again but can never give a satisfactory scientific explanation as to what actually causes this illusion and why and how.

Tests from high altitude balloons using simple trigonometrical parallax show that the Sun is much closer and smaller than they have claimed it to be, but seeing as amateur attempts at high altitude photography are discouraged by the establishment under the guise of 'national security' then it's difficult for Flat-Earthers to keep proving how close the Sun really is.

Of course showing that the Sun is much closer to us and much smaller than the Earth, does not in itself prove that the Earth is flat, but it does prove that what we have been told about the Universe is probably a big lie.

 

[SINNERSAVED]

3 hours ago, OakWood said:

I don't know,maybe it's an expression like the four points of the compass. If the Earth is indeed fixed on pillars then maybe there are corners on the pillars. The point is it's a stupid question because it applies even less to a Globe Earth.

I don't know - maybe it's something like this with a square base around it.

 

 

I will except that, , I think that is a fair assessment ? but that's my opinion ?

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

Telescopes can be just as trusted as your naked eye. In fact when you look through the telescope at the Moon, you see the Moon as it really is. Of course, a telescope will not tell you what the Moon is made out of or how far away it really is, it just magnifies it and makes it clearer to look at. As for the planets being round or not, I've no idea. They may be round, they may be flat disks - who knows? They are merely lights in heaven that God made for us.

As for trusting a compass, yes you can trust one. There are magnetic rocks near the North Pole and that is why a compass points North. In fact if the Earth was a Globe then a compass would have problems working. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line and a compass would try to point downwards through the Earth in order to point at the North Pole.

Shalom, again, Oakwood.

Oh, and by the way, did you see this? This is a stereoscopic picture of the moon.

Can you trust your eyes? Simply look "beyond" the picture as though you were looking across the room and line up the two middle images until you see three images and look carefully at the "middle" image.

Now, regarding magnets: Haven't you ever done one simple experiment with magnets? All you have to do is get some metal filings and a piece of glass or plastic. 

Put the magnet under the glass with the glass held flat. Pour the metal filings on the top of the glass, and move the magnet around under the metal filings and see what they do. They follow what are called "magnetic lines of force." Magnetic lines of force do NOT follow a "straight line!" They follow CURVED lines outward from one pole (such as the North pole, N) to the other (such as the South pole, S). This is why so many bar magnets have the "S" and "N" symbols stamped on their ends.

All magnets have both poles whether the magnet is a bar, a cube, a cylinder, a short cylinder (a disk), a U-shape, or a square U, a torus, or a spherical shape. They MUST have them both; they cannot exist without both poles. Indeed, the manetic N pole is the pole that points to the earth's north pole (which is how its north pole, N, was named)! The earth itself IS a huge sphere-shaped magnet! That is why there are TWO poles and why another magnet would be drawn to those poles. That's how a compass works! The needle of the compass IS a magnet and it follows the CURVED magnetic lines of force surrounding the earth!

All science is not of the devil, y'know. Indeed, the devil is the copycat that steals God's natural laws and twists them for his own ends. There are many good, godly men and women who were and are scientists, giving God the glory for any inventions or innovations they have helped to discover. It would do you good to read about these men and women. Here's a starting point: 8 famous scientists who were Christians.

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

I will except that, , I think that is a fair assessment ? but that's my opinion ?

Shalom, SINNERSAVED.

Have you noticed that this "map" does not show a "flat earth"; it shows an earth shaped more like a roulette table! All you'd need is the spinner handle above the north pole and a ball to roll around in the groove!

[OakWood]

12 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, again, Oakwood.

Oh, and by the way, did you see this? This is a stereoscopic picture of the moon.

Can you trust your eyes? Simply look "beyond" the picture as though you were looking across the room and line up the two middle images until you see three images and look carefully at the "middle" image.

Now, regarding magnets: Haven't you ever done one simple experiment with magnets? All you have to do is get some metal filings and a piece of glass or plastic. 

Put the magnet under the glass with the glass held flat. Pour the metal filings on the top of the glass, and move the magnet around under the metal filings and see what they do. They follow what are called "magnetic lines of force." Magnetic lines of force do NOT follow a "straight line!" They follow CURVED lines outward from one pole (such as the North pole, N) to the other (such as the South pole, S). This is why so many bar magnets have the "S" and "N" symbols stamped on their ends.

All magnets have both poles whether the magnet is a bar, a cube, a cylinder, a short cylinder (a disk), a U-shape, or a square U, a torus, or a spherical shape. They MUST have them both; they cannot exist without both poles. Indeed, the manetic N pole is the pole that points to the earth's north pole (which is how its north pole, N, was named)! The earth itself IS a huge sphere-shaped magnet! That is why there are TWO poles and why another magnet would be drawn to those poles. That's how a compass works! The needle of the compass IS a magnet and it follows the CURVED magnetic lines of force surrounding the earth!

All science is not of the devil, y'know. Indeed, the devil is the copycat that steals God's natural laws and twists them for his own ends. There are many good, godly men and women who were and are scientists, giving God the glory for any inventions or innovations they have helped to discover. It would do you good to read about these men and women. Here's a starting point: 8 famous scientists who were Christians.

Yes, all magnets have two poles but that doesn't mean to say that the magnetic rocks found near the North Pole have their opposite pole in Antarctica does it? The opposite pole might be somewhere else. Use some Common sense here. And by the way, I am fully aware that not all science is of the devil. At University I studied chemistry along with nuclear chemistry. I'm not an idiot. I'm aware of the scientific method. Unfortunately not a lot of scientists seem to be using it these days.

Instead of blabbing on about magnets why not use the eyes and ears that God gave you and work it out for yourself, or better still answer the questions that Flat-Earthers have raised such as why the horizon always remains at eye level which would be impossible on a flat Earth. Perhaps if you stopped digressing and focused on the big picture instead of smugly talking about magnets as if all Flat-Earthers are village idiots then we might get somewhere.

Oh and another thing. Don't forget about God and scripture. The Bible does not comply with a spinning globe Earth. Perhaps you may have forgotten scripture but I haven't.

[SINNERSAVED]

44 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, SINNERSAVED.

Have you noticed that this "map" does not show a "flat earth"; it shows an earth shaped more like a roulette table! All you'd need is the spinner handle above the north pole and a ball to roll around in the groove!

yes I have , thank you , and yes , the shape is relavant  , get it lol.....

I think it is , about how it would be ? in fact I just got done watching a video clip , of people that died in ant artica , for being where they were not to be ? they were explorers, and all of them died, ? hmm.......

[MorningGlory]

On 4/3/2016 at 10:24 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

well I will vote, for flat earth , its just my opinion, for the reason that the moon landing was a fake, and no one is on the moon, and so if that is a fake, and done in the studios to fool the world , I will go with the opposite of what they say , so they say round , I say flat, '

 now that is my view,  lets talk about the sky , is it open , endless , or is there a crystal  glass type ceiling , and we cannot get beyong it , and it will hit if we do send a rocket, it will bottom out, ? is the true or fake, ? I am trying to see what is real according to the Genesis  story of God saying he separates with a firmament ?  or dome, or cover, or what ever ?

 thank you ,

SS, NOBODY believes in a flat earth anymore!  You're totally entitled to believe that but you have to throw out a LOT of knowledge to do so.

[MorningGlory]

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ts interesting about 2 minutes 18 seconds star water present in the development of a new sun and solar system.

I thouht we weren't supposed to post videos outside of the video section.

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