The End of the Gentile World System.

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 

I know I harp on this a lot,but it's important.Who is Israel and who are the Gentiles?

Hi n2thelight,

The Gentiles are the nations of the earth. They are descendants from the 70 in Genesis 10.

`and He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, & has determined their pre-appointed times & the boundaries of their habitation.`  (Acts 17: 26)

 

Israel. The `ekklesia,` called out ones from the other nations, the Gentiles. God calls them `His fig tree.` He alone knows who of Israel has or will turn to Him.

`For a nation has come against my land,......he has ...ruined my fig tree.` (Joel 1: 6 & 7)

`Though the fig tree may not blossom,...` (Habakkuk 3: 17)

`Now learn a parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already come tender & puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.` (Matt. 24: 32 & 33)

God has clearly told the nation of Israel that -

`I will betroth you to me for ever, Yes, I will betroth you to me in righteousness & justice...` (Hosea 2: 19)

 

The Body of Christ. The `ekklesia` called out ones from Israel & the nations.

`so as to create in Himself one NEW MAN from the two...` (Eph. 2: 15)

 

Marilyn.

 

[n2thelight]

22 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi n2thelight,

The Gentiles are the nations of the earth. They are descendants from the 70 in Genesis 10.

`and He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, & has determined their pre-appointed times & the boundaries of their habitation.`  (Acts 17: 26)

 

Israel. The `ekklesia,` called out ones from the other nations, the Gentiles. God calls them `His fig tree.` He alone knows who of Israel has or will turn to Him.

`For a nation has come against my land,......he has ...ruined my fig tree.` (Joel 1: 6 & 7)

`Though the fig tree may not blossom,...` (Habakkuk 3: 17)

`Now learn a parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already come tender & puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.` (Matt. 24: 32 & 33)

God has clearly told the nation of Israel that -

`I will betroth you to me for ever, Yes, I will betroth you to me in righteousness & justice...` (Hosea 2: 19)

 

The Body of Christ. The `ekklesia` called out ones from Israel & the nations.

`so as to create in Himself one NEW MAN from the two...` (Eph. 2: 15)

 

Marilyn.

 

Thx Marilyn

Do you consider them(Israel)to be only Jew's ?

[n2thelight]

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[n2thelight]

There's a difference between Israel and Judah.Until the distinction between Israel and Judah, as taught in the Scripture, is clearly understood, a great portion of the Bible will remain a closed book.

[TrevorL]

Greetings again n2thelight,

 

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Thx for the answer.So do you consider Israel to be only Jews?

 

40 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

There's a difference between Israel and Judah.Until the distinction between Israel and Judah, as taught in the Scripture, is clearly understood, a great portion of the Bible will remain a closed book.

 

I am not sure exactly what you are asking, or what you are stating in your latest, but a brief overview. Historically Jacob’s name was changed to Israel after he wrestled with the angel and prevailed. The name Israel then became the title of the twelve tribes, but when the kingdom was divided the northern ten tribes became known as the Kingdom of Israel, while the southern two tribes, Benjamin and Judah was known as the Kingdom of Judah. The term Jews is a contraction of Judah, but is a term applicable to any descendant of Jacob who was associated with the southern kingdom.

 

The NT speaks about spiritual Jews in Romans 2:28-29 and a spiritual Israelite in John 1:47 contrasting the initial character of Jacob. There are most probably much more that could be said, or other scripture that could be cited, but I will await your response or additional thoughts from others.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

[other one]

16 hours ago, Ezra said:

The times of the Gentiles are related to Jerusalem: ...  and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Lk 21:24b).

It is only when Christ returns the second time and establishes His rule on earth that the times of the Gentiles will come to an end.  Jerusalem will be purged and re-established, and the Promised Land will be strictly for the twelve tribes of Israel.  For details we have the book of Ezekiel.

I think that happened in June of 1967....    Israel has control of Jerusalem and only allow others to be there.

[Qnts2]

2 hours ago, other one said:

I think that happened in June of 1967....    Israel has control of Jerusalem and only allow others to be there.

Israel does not have control of the Temple mount. To have control of Jerusalem includes the Temple mount.

When Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, in 1967, the war only lasted for 6 days. Israel was facing heavy attack and the soldiers were fighting in smoke and dust, unable to see. They were trying to drive the attackers out of Israel who greatly outnumbered the Israeli army, and did not realize where they were. When they realized they had captured the western (wailing wall), they were shocked, in awe, and many started to weep. The chaplain of the Israeli army blew a shofar to signal that Jerusalem was united. 

But then, the Knesset had a problem to debate. According to Mosaic law, the Jewish people had to be ritually clean to enter the Temple mount, and without the ashes of a red heifer, they would be breaking the Mosaic law. The people were so enthusiastic wanting to celebrate on the mount it was going to be impossible to restrain them from breaking the law. And there was no red heifers which met the scriptural requirements. So, it was decided that the control of the mount and mosque would be turned over to Jordan so that the Jewish people would not break the Mosaic law. Jordan turned it over to the PLO. 

But, in reality, the control of Jerusalem and the Temple mount is up to God to provide a perfect red heifer at the right time.  

[other one]

Just now, Qnts2 said:

Israel does not have control of the Temple mount. To have control of Jerusalem includes the Temple mount.

When Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, in 1967, the war only lasted for 6 days. Israel was facing heavy attack and the soldiers were fighting in smoke and dust, unable to see. They were trying to drive the attackers out of Israel who greatly outnumbered the Israeli army, and did not realize where they were. When they realized they had captured the western (wailing wall), they were shocked, in awe, and many started to weep. The chaplain of the Israeli army blew a shofar to signal that Jerusalem was united. 

But then, the Knesset had a problem to debate. According to Mosaic law, the Jewish people had to be ritually clean to enter the Temple mount, and without the ashes of a red heifer, they would be breaking the Mosaic law. The people were so enthusiastic wanting to celebrate on the mount it was going to be impossible to restrain them from breaking the law. And there was no red heifers which met the scriptural requirements. So, it was decided that the control of the mount and mosque would be turned over to Jordan so that the Jewish people would not break the Mosaic law. Jordan turned it over to the PLO. 

But, in reality, the control of Jerusalem and the Temple mount is up to God to provide a perfect red heifer at the right time.  

I would disagree....   they do have control of the Temple Mount and decided for the time being to let the Jordanians have say so in how it us used.....   They gave access to all religions to the holy sites there.....   A couple of Rabbi's that I have been acquainted with in the past told me that at the time the decision was made that the religious leaders were concerned about Jews desecrating the temple mount area and thought it best to leave it as is for they were not ready to rebuild the temple....        They do have control of the temple mount though we might not agree with what they are doing.

Now there are a couple of people who believe that the temple mount was the location of the Roman garrison and not actually the temple site....   and if you read the Bible closely it says that the temple was in the old City of David, which the temple mount is not.

God has had Israel  walke a very small tightrope to keep things as peaceful as they have.   We'll see what happens as the time to rebuild the temple comes about.

[Qnts2]

4 minutes ago, other one said:

I would disagree....   they do have control of the Temple Mount and decided for the time being to let the Jordanians have say so in how it us used.....   They gave access to all religions to the holy sites there.....   A couple of Rabbi's that I have been acquainted with in the past told me that at the time the decision was made that the religious leaders were concerned about Jews desecrating the temple mount area and thought it best to leave it as is for they were not ready to rebuild the temple....        They do have control of the temple mount though we might not agree with what they are doing.

Now there are a couple of people who believe that the temple mount was the location of the Roman garrison and not actually the temple site....   and if you read the Bible closely it says that the temple was in the old City of David, which the temple mount is not.

God has had Israel  walke a very small tightrope to keep things as peaceful as they have.   We'll see what happens as the time to rebuild the temple comes about.

I agree with what they did since the Jewish people were not yet ritually clean at the time.

I should add that when Israel re-captured Jerusalem, in the U.S., the Jesus people revival was just starting. In that revival come college age Jewish hippies accepted Jesus and united under the leadership of Moishe Rosen who was a missionary to the Jewish people. Moishe was let go from the missionary board he was working for. Moishe had made an agreement to work with the Jewish hippies for a year to share the gospel, so Moishe established Jews for Jesus. Out of that came a revival among the Jewish college age. The number of saved Jewish people jumped from maybe a thousand to about 30,000. The Hebrew Christian Alliance changed it's name to the Messianic Judaism Alliance and experienced rapid growth. So, when Jerusalem was back under Jewish control, a small revival among the Jewish people started.

For a couple of decades after that, the number of Jewish people accepting Jesus was relatively low. But in the past 10 years, the numbers have again been growing quickly. Jews for Jesus and other missions to the Jewish people have been going city by city through Israel for the first time in a coordinated effort since the apostles and relatively good numbers of Jewish people are showing interest in the Messiahship of Jesus. 

So, to me, it appears to be nearing the end of the time of the Gentiles.    

[other one]

3 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

So, to me, it appears to be nearing the end of the time of the Gentiles.    

but if you look at both European and US history, it was at that time we really turned our backs on God as a society (not as individuals) and our control over things fell apart.....   Viet Nam went to hell on us and we really have not recovered sense and that was the start of our economic downfall...   I think God ended the time of the Gentiles and turned his focus directly to Israel.....   Western society started falling apart at that time because he had removed his protection, and has coasted to the place we are at now.....   and that is doing the bidding of Satan himself instead of God.....

and woe is us for there is no place to run...