Is the mark of the beast here?

[OneLight]

13 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Not a great argument. Job being the oldest book in the Bible could mean the sun was green and the grass was blue.

But it could very well refer to the bottomless pit unless some evidence clearly refutes that idea. There is positive evidence that souls go to a pit from Job and David, and likely a few more, making such and idea plausible. 

The only evidence is when Jesus spoke the parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus found in Luke 16.  If the pit was bottomless, how could one in Hades look over and see Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom?   We are taking scripture here, yes?

[warrior12]

49 minutes ago, Diaste said:

It doesn't answer the question. It looks like a rationale to ignore clear scripture.

Really, does all men interpret the scripture as word for word and is clear in all men eyes.   Let see here, there is a thread that debates if God spoke to satan. what's your answer on the clear statement of scripture.  see the thread titled below.  This already happened and historical, so it should be very clear.

 

satan's fall,when did it happen

[Diaste]

17 minutes ago, OneLight said:

The only evidence is when Jesus spoke the parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus found in Luke 16.  If the pit was bottomless, how could one in Hades look over and see Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom?   We are taking scripture here, yes?

That's an attribute that shouldn't be assigned to bottomless pit; that of a constant state of falling an infinite distance, as it can't be gleaned from scripture. What can be known is that creatures, fallen angels and presumably a once dead man now risen in evil power can rise from said bottomless pit.

[OneLight]

Just now, Diaste said:

That's an attribute that shouldn't be assigned to bottomless pit; that of a constant state of falling an infinite distance, as it can't be gleaned from scripture. What can be known is that creatures, fallen angels and presumably a once dead man now risen in evil power can rise from said bottomless pit.

Exactly, and the point I have been trying to make.  They are not the same, so there is no way Job would be talking about the bottomless pit.

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎09‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 0:20 AM, warrior12 said:

 

I have just read through the entire thread and Willa post makes the most sense IMO.   Anyone who has been engaged in spiritual warfare would know that spirits polls[seduces] you and tries to manipulate your mind to conform to worldly ways and your refusal brings about rage from those spiritual entities.  How other christians do not go through this or have not testify to their experience with these things leaves me a bit baffled.  The Bible speaks of the spiritual world and the battles that goes on there also Eph 6.  How does spirits or demons enter or occupy persons ?.   In the same way christians would be polled to receive a spiritual mark when the time come for the mark period. Those who are saved would not take this mark spiritually as they would be sealed with the mark of  God .  It is essentially your allegiance to whom you give your worship to.     

When you are engaged in spiritual battles, the person standing next to you whom may be your co-worker or boss may be the carrier of that evil spirit and no physical altercation takes place. You know and  the person knows a battle was engaged in.   This is a bit difficult for persons who have never engaged in these situations to comprehend, but i have and in witness, today i testify to it.  The visual mark of identity may not be necessary, it may be symbolic.  

I would agree with this .I think that it is going on now this battle .We are being forced to accept certain evil décisions made by governments on behalf of those who already carry the mark . Humanity has done some terrible things in past ,but until recently we have never 'sanctified ' what is called an abomination in the bible . Some people have already been put out of business, losing their livelyhood because of this.

There is terrible pressure on people to go along with this so called progressist agenda ,and it is quite clear , that many have taken the 'mark' into their mind , and when it reaches their heart they are totally corrupted ;their soul is lost . 

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎09‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 2:06 AM, Diaste said:

Just a distraction. The beast rises from the middle eastern deserts, is Arab in descent and Islamic; believes in Sharia and forced religious conversion on pain of death or enslavement. Not gonna be some fancy UN politico with perfect suits and even better hair.

I do not agree with this .The Beast is a western capitalist system which is already, as we know in place ,and which governs most of the world .

Edited January 10, 2017 by Thallasa

[Guest Thallasa]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Maybe. But the several references in Job and Psalms to the 'pit' from which the soul is saved, is strikingly similar to the pit from which the beast ascends. Both are a 'pit'. So it's not a stretch to liken the rich man in the 'pit' of the OT. 'Hades', 'the grave', 'the pit' are synonymous in these examples. So the idea here is that a dead person can indeed be in the 'pit', and it's not a logical somersault to understand the beast that 'was, is not, and yet is' is killed, goes to the pit, and is resurrected, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Rev 17.

But the main point I was making in the beginning was that the beast does not arise under the auspices of any current world organization. Whether the 'pit' is the 'bottomless pit' or not is immaterial to the topic. The beast is coming from the area of Babylon, is religious in the extreme, will perpetrate forced conversions and is the head of a brutal and destructive kingdom populated by the fanatical. 

 

OK., maybe  

[simplejeff]

37 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

Humanity has done some terrible things in past ,but until recently we have never 'sanctified ' what is called an abomination in the bible . Some people have already been put out of business, losing their livelyhood because of this.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'sanctified',  but

yes, I believe not only mankind(which has always been described as wicked, perversely evil, by Scripture) but

also most all religious have committed atrocities all along (the world has never been a "good" place, and certainly never to love it nor the things of it, as WRITTEN in BIBLE.  ....  perhaps sometimes during King Solomon's Reign, or in the first century when the ecclesia were praying every day so the roman empire had the most peace it ever had.....) 

The atrocities are still being covered up, while more and more the last century have been revealed to us/ openly/  yet "denied" at the same time....   as if "peace, peace"  the last 100 years, or whenever,  and there is no peace (no righteousness, no healing, except a few places,  ever....) ...   We are not allowed to post them  (I checked a few posts the last couple years,  they just 'disappear' .... )

And , yes, TODAY,  is worse than ever before in history,  "the wicked becoming more wicked"  every day, EXACTLY as WRITTEN....

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

I do not agree with this .The Beast is a western capitalist system which is already, as we know in place ,and which governs most of the world .

OK. Provide some facts to back this up, biblical fact.

I promise I can provide biblical fact for what I contend.

[soonsister]

For the longest the number mark of the beast is thought by some to be the social security number.

When scripture says the number of the beast is 666, if you add those numbers together they add up to 18. If you add those numbers , count the number of the beast, it equals 9. The American SSN has nine digits. And someone cannot legally buy or sell nor work without having one .

The research to go deeper into that thought would be to find out if other countries national identification number contains 9 digits. Those are my thoughts at least.

 

Blessings,