Sexual Harassment

[JohnD]

To be avoided at all costs. Even the appearance of it.

Go by biblical standards to be safe.

 

[Running Gator]

I agree John, it is a real problem.   Billy Graham would never to meet, eat, or travel alone with a woman other than his wife.  I heard this from my future father-in-law and took it to heart.  Initially it was truly because I did not trust myself to be strong enough in the face of temptation.  Later in life it was to avoid accusations that would be hard to defend against. 

[JohnD]

The following is merely my opinion:

What brought up this ugly subject  was the recent sexual harassment lawsuit filed by former Fox News anchor Gretchen Carlson over a comment  that Rogers Ailes allegedly said it would have been better if she had gone to bed with him (about the time she was moved from the morning show, I presume) last September. Six others in their 60's and 70's have come forward about him when he produced the Mike Douglas show in the 1960's and 70's. Not to excuse sex sin of any sort, but there was a lot of sexual misbehavior in those days. And at least one of the six admits to giving him a less than discouraging response.

I am not defending this yutz or any one like him (male or female) who would force or imply sexual favoritism for any reason. Personally I think the old boy was being facetious doubting even the little blue pills can make him potent. It's crossing the line. And he was wrong. But other women at Fox have come out defending him and one is a lawyer who prosecuted sexual harassment cases and worse and a judge who certainly presided over as much and worse. Defending him.

I don't dislike Ms Carlson. But I always had the personal impression that her brand of go-getter was more along the lines of entitlement and what daddy's money and influence could buy (especially the beauty pageant title). I remember it and the shock at who won. Easily enough forgotten until you see Ms. Carlson has already been litigating against Fox coworkers for "hostile environment" claims about the time she was removed from the morning spotlight. There was some sticky business over Ms. Carlson getting the Fox and Friends job in the first place (involving the sudden dismissal of Kiran Chetry who moved on to CNN). As did Alisyn Camerota, and I believe E.D. Hill is associated with CNN as well.

Point being, the sexual perks of sitting in the center of the curvy couch to get ratings with short skirts also has a limited shelf life (there's a moral in there about all sexual abuse by women as well as of women). You sell your soul (body) for the perks and the head of the line privileges, but one day the perks will be gone and the looks and what you have left is usually compromised long ago. {sigh} All the window dressing females have been put out to pasture as their ratings sagged even if their bodies had not yet.

There is an old crude expression "not interested, we've already seen up that skirt." Point being ladies don't sell yourselves! It always costs more in the end than it pays in the beginning.

I do not have anything good to say about men or women who pressure anyone for sex... spousal pressure notwithstanding (to the point of maintaining dignity and respect of course). And I really have nothing to say to Ms. Carlson about sleeping in the bed she made for herself.

But about the timeliness, I would say if I had the opportunity, "Why wait until now? Many other women could have been sexually harassed or abused while you remained silent. Why wait until it no longer benefited you to remain silent about this outrageous atrocity you are seeking compensation and public exposure for?"

I speak as a sexual abuse victim age 13-15 by a male 'friend' of the family. He died when I was 16. It took me many years before I could even talk about it. It was homosexual abuse and I was a kid. What's the excuse for the women like Ms. Carlson and those who jump on bandwagons with Ailes and Cosby (now that their hush money ran out)... to allow these monsters to roam around free???

[MorningGlory]

Sexual harrassment is a very real problem for women. But, truthfully, I have also seen a woman supervisor fired for harrassing a male employee.   It shouldn't be condoned from anyone.  Unwelcome advances are just that and are an invasion of one's personal space and can make for a hostile environment.

[JohnD]

5 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Sexual harrassment is a very real problem for women. But, truthfully, I have also seen a woman supervisor fired for harrassing a male employee.   It shouldn't be condoned from anyone.  Unwelcome advances are just that and are an invasion of one's personal space and can make for a hostile environment.

Didn't say it wasn't. Came out against it.

Don't think it is something to be profited from either.

[JohnD]

And women are also being held accountable these days.

Again... the Biblical standard is your ONLY safe bet!  <---- Everybody!!

[Omegaman 3.0]

I have often wondered, without looking into it, if the admonition to avoid the appearance of evil, in modern language, means to avoid it's occurrence. In other words, is the original intent, to not have it appear among you (not how does it look) but should it just not manifest at all?

If it does mean to stifle "even the appearance", then the "how does it look to outsiders", we have a problem. Not only can I not have a female room mate, as an example, because of how that might appear to neighbors, then  neither can I have a male room mate, since in this day and age, if might appear that my room mate could be any one of dozens of self-identified genders.

People make hasty, judgmental decisions on a whim. My wife and I got dressed down by our pastor once, because it appeared to others, that the apple juice were were drinking, could have been champagne! Too bad that at times, the onus is on us, even when we are doing nothing wrong.

Sexual harassment, could at times, be a mis-understanding or some vindictive grudge, or even just a difference of opinion on what costitutes such a behavior.

One time, the policy f my work places changed, and we had to have "sexual harassment training".  I attended the sessions, and afterward, there was a test. I was told, that I would have to retake the test. I was pretty sure I did nothing wrong, and asked what the problem was.

As it turned out, I missed one of the questions, but I refused to change my answer, because I did not agree with it. What they said was, that if you were to complement a woman on her dress, that is a form of harassmet. The said that it was not an option, if I did not change I would be let go. I am sorry, but I know what is in my heart, and to say something complementary to a person, is NOT a form of harassment.

I did though, suggest a compromise, which the company lawyers accepted. I said, that I would be willing to sign an agreement, that I understand that the position of the company, was that complementing a woman's manner of dress, could be seen as harassment. I still hate PC things, so childish!

[Running Gator]

4 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I have often wondered, without looking into it, if the admonition to avoid the appearance of evil, in modern language, means to avoid it's occurrence. In other words, is the original intent, to not have it appear among you (not how does it look) but should it just not manifest at all?

If it does mean to stifle "even the appearance", then the "how does it look to outsiders", we have a problem. Not only can I not have a female room mate, as an example, because of how that might appear to neighbors, then  neither can I have a male room mate, since in this day and age, if might appear that my room mate could be any one of dozens of self-identified genders.

People make hasty, judgmental decisions on a whim. My wife and I got dressed down by our pastor once, because it appeared to others, that the apple juice were were drinking, could have been champagne! Too bad that at times, the onus is on us, even when we are doing nothing wrong.

Sexual harassment, could at times, be a mis-understanding or some vindictive grudge, or even just a difference of opinion on what costitutes such a behavior.

One time, the policy f my work places changed, and we had to have "sexual harassment training".  I attended the sessions, and afterward, there was a test. I was told, that I would have to retake the test. I was pretty sure I did nothing wrong, and asked what the problem was.

As it turned out, I missed one of the questions, but I refused to change my answer, because I did not agree with it. What they said was, that if you were to complement a woman on her dress, that is a form of harassmet. The said that it was not an option, if I did not change I would be let go. I am sorry, but I know what is in my heart, and to say something complementary to a person, is NOT a form of harassment.

I did though, suggest a compromise, which the company lawyers accepted. I said, that I would be willing to sign an agreement, that I understand that the position of the company, was that complementing a woman's manner of dress, could be seen as harassment. I still hate PC things, so childish!

Complimenting a woman on her dress could be a form of harassment.  If you tend to compliment everyone on their attire when deserved, both men and women then it would not be a problem.  I had a fellow employee that did not do it that way, the only one's he ever complimented were the attractive women, and normally only when they had more skin showing than normal.  

[Guest shiloh357]

If this case is related to her being removed from the morning show, that was around two years ago.   She is just now filing the complaint???   Why is it that so many of these high profile sexual harassment cases get filed years after the event??

[kwikphilly]

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 Why is it that so many of these high profile sexual harassment cases get filed years after the event??         posted by Shiloh

What do they say? "Bad publicity is better than no publicity at all",,,,seems a bit past due,one must consider the source,the timing,the big picture?