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[WailingWall]

9 minutes ago, Sister said:

 

 Romans 10:4   For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

 

DEUT. 30 [10] If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. [11] For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. [12] It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, WHO SHALL GO UP FOR US TO HEAVEN, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [13] Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [14] But THE WORD IS VERY NIGH UNTO THEE, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Israel was told they were to keep Gods 10 commandments. The Word is nigh

ROMANS 10 [1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. [2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. [3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. [4] For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS to every one that believeth. [5] For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. [6] But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, WHO SHALL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) [7] Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) [8] But what saith it? THE WORD IS NIGH THEE, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

The Word is nigh. But Israel was ignorant at the time that they could not attain Gods righteousness by keeping the law. They did not know that Christ was the end of the law for righteousness. No matter how well they kept the 10 commandments they would fall short and be as filthy rags. The bottom line is that we as believers are still to keep Gods 10 commandments but its only by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ that we are made righteous. His blood alone washes us clean from our short comings in keeping His law. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.

EZEKIEL 33 [13] When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; IF HE TRUST TO HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, HE SHALL DIE for it. [14] Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; IF HE TURN FROM HIS SIN, AND DO THAT WHICH IS LAWFUL and right; [15] If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, HE SHALL NOT DIE. [16] None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: HE HATH DONE THAT WHICH IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT; HE SHALL SURELY LIVE.

Its explained more fully in Ezek.33. We are to observe to keep Gods law but we must not trust in it as a means of attaining true righteousness. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness because we will all fall short in keeping the law. Its ONLY by the blood of Christ and His grace  that we shall become righteous.

ROMANS 5 [19] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. [20] Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: [21] That as SIN HATH REIGNED UNTO DEATH, even so might GRACE REIGN THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ETERNAL LIFE by Jesus Christ our Lord.

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[WailingWall]

3 hours ago, Giller said:

Now here you say that the 10 commandments are the way to eternal life, which is what you were talking about when you were talking with Shiloh.

But wailing aren't you just as guilty as the Jews who were making their boast of the law?

 

I cant make that call. My works are as filthy rags. I have fallen short

MATTHEW 5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Teach and keep the commandments and your righteousness will exceed the righteousness of the scribes and phariees.

LUKE 12 [1] In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, BEWARE YE OF THE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES, WHICH IS HYPOCRISY.

Scripture above does not say the leaven of the pharisees was the keeping of Gods 10 commandments. Its hypocrisy. They were hypocrits.

MATTHEW 23 [1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying, THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES SIT IN MOSES' SEAT: [3] ALL THEREFORE WHATSOEVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE, THAT OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. [4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. [5] But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Jesus tells us we are to do what the scribes and pharisees say.  The scribes and pharisees say but do not do. They are hypocrits.

1 CORINTHIANS 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] PURGE OUT THEREFORE THE OLD LEAVEN, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] Therefore let us KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Many make the claim that the leaven speaks of the law. Couldnt be further from the truth. Scripture above says purge out the old leaven and in the very next verse tells us to keep the Feast of unleavened bread which is written in law.

MATTHEW 23 [23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.

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17 minutes ago, WailingWall said:

Many make the claim that the leaven speaks of the law. Couldnt be further from the truth. Scripture above says purge out the old leaven and in the very next verse tells us to keep the Feast of unleavened bread which is written in law.

 

I think of the leaven spoken of in the bible, being used as a metaphor; meaning Anything that is different from the Word that Jesus left for us is the leaven we need to purge it; be law or a person spreading false gospel.

[Sister]

9 hours ago, WailingWall said:

Good morning sister. Glad to meet ya

MATT.22 [35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?[37] Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[38] This is the first and great commandment.[39] And the second is like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Why do you believe that we no longer need keep Gods 10 commandments because of what Jesus said in Matthew?

Hi Wailing Wall

Good to meet you too.

In answer to your question, .....because Jesus made it clear that these two commandments were what really mattered then and now.

If we follow these two laws, we have covered everything.

Wailing wall.  They could not keep all of the law back then.  If they broke one law, they were guilty of breaking all.  If one has to abstain from working on a sabbath today, he has to obey it to the letter, not make up his own rules as he goes.  That means you can't let anyone work for you either, and that includes the guys at the power station, ..the water station, so no electricity, no using the tap, no hospitals, nothing.  Can you see how many would be breaking this over and over condemning themselves further?  So I say don't expect and demand one to follow this when it cannot be physically done today without breaking yourself.

And if the sabbath was so important, and a means of salvation today, then Christ would of made it very clear to keep the sabbath, and would of told us straight out, but all the scriptures refer to the opposite, that it is not a requirement of salvation, and was done away with on the cross.

Also our government system is not set up for the population to follow the sabbath system, like it was for Israel back in the day, much easier for them because it was the law,...their law, all had to follow and harsh penalties if you didn't.  God knows that in today's world this is not possible, therefore it is not enforced on believers because it would be like putting a yoke on our neck, just waiting for us to break.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

21 hours ago, WailingWall said:

 

 

Many make the claim that the leaven speaks of the law. Couldnt be further from the truth. Scripture above says purge out the old leaven and in the very next verse tells us to keep the Feast of unleavened bread which is written in law.

 

I have never heard anyone make the claim.  Leaven was always representative of sin, not the law.

[WailingWall]

On 11/20/2016 at 2:00 PM, shiloh357 said:

I have never heard anyone make the claim.  Leaven was always representative of sin, not the law.

Yup. I goofed. Sorry

Leaven is sin

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

Edited November 22, 2016 by WailingWall

[WailingWall]

On 11/19/2016 at 0:27 PM, Giller said:

Now here you say that the 10 commandments are the way to eternal life, which is what you were talking about when you were talking with Shiloh.

 

Here I say....?

Matthew 19:16-19 (KJV)
¹⁶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
¹⁷ And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
¹⁸ He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
¹⁹ Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thats what Jesus said

[WailingWall]

2 hours ago, Giller said:

 

Gal 3:21-26

 

(21)  Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

(22)  But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

(23)  But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

(24)  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

(25)  But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

(26)  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

No law can impart life.

Only Christ can.

 

Hey Giller. Christ did not come to destroy the law but  came to redeem us from the curse of the law that we might recieve the promise of the spirit through FAITH. BUT...

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus

Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Then there is no condemnation. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

You see what these scriptures say Giller. Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID! Please explain

 

 

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2 hours ago, WailingWall said:

scriptures say Giller. Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID! Please explain

Other than the Sabbath which we are told is optional, but from my personal view is to be a way of life and not a single day of the week thing,   when you keep the Two commandments that Jesus gave us, you will not only not break the other ten, but not even want to.....   and with the ten commandments we are not to be our brothers keeper and with the two we are......   and according to Matthew chapter 25, if you are not being your brothers keeper, you might actually go to hell.

The ten commandments will not get you into heaven.....