Any other church have exorcisms?

[Guest BacKaran]

I was just asking this question the other day and didn't get any answers.

I've never heard of the Lutheran, Presbyterian or Baptist churches doing exorcisms but now the rcc has an uptick in them, interesting.

https://realtruth.org/news/161128-004.html

[missmuffet]

Christians are told to stay away from exorcism

Question: "Can a Christian today perform an exorcism? What does the Bible say about casting out demons?"

Answer: Exorcism (commanding demons to leave other people) was practiced by various people in the Gospels and the Book of Acts—the disciples as part of Christ's instructions (Matthew 10); others using Christ's name (Mark 9:38); the children of the Pharisees (Luke 11:18-19); Paul (Acts 16); and certain exorcists (Acts 19:11-16).

It appears that the purpose of Jesus' disciples performing exorcisms was to show Christ's dominion over the demons (Luke 10:17) and to verify that the disciples were acting in His name and by His authority. It also revealed their faith or lack of faith (Matthew 17:14-21). It was obvious that this act of casting out demons was important to the ministry of the disciples. However, it is unclear what part casting out demons actually played in the discipleship process.

Interestingly, there seems to be a shift in the latter part of the New Testament regarding demonic warfare. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity, yet do not discuss the actions of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the armor to stand against them (Ephesians 6:10-18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7), be careful of him (1 Peter 5:8), and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so.

The book of Ephesians gives clear instructions on how we are to have victory in our lives in the battle against the forces of evil. The first step is placing our faith in Christ (2:8-9), which breaks the rule of “the prince of the power of the air” (2:2). We are then to choose, again by God's grace, to put off ungodly habits and to put on godly habits (4:17-24). This does not involve casting out demons, but rather renewing our minds (4:23). After several practical instructions on how to obey God as His children, we are reminded that there is a spiritual battle. It is fought with certain armor that allows us to stand against—not cast out—the trickery of the demonic world (6:10). We stand with truth, righteousness, the gospel, faith, salvation, the Word of God, and prayer (6:10-18).

It appears that as the Word of God was completed, the Christians had more weapons with which to battle the spirit world than the early Christians did. The role of casting out demons was replaced, for the most part, with evangelism and discipleship through the Word of God. Since the methods of spiritual warfare in the New Testament do not involve casting out demons, it is difficult to determine instructions on how to do such a thing. If necessary at all, it seems that it is through exposing the individual to the truth of the Word of God and the name of Jesus Christ.

https://gotquestions.org/Christian-exorcism.html

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, BacKaran said:

I was just asking this question the other day and didn't get any answers.

I've never heard of the Lutheran, Presbyterian or Baptist churches doing exorcisms but now the rcc has an uptick in them, interesting.

https://realtruth.org/news/161128-004.html

Hi BacKaran,

As Abbey has said, deliverance is related to the gospel, & I believe especially water baptism. If you watch the video `The Last Reformation,` (Utube) by Torbein (forgot last name) then you will see actual deliverances, of people getting baptised in water.

regards, Marilyn.

[Ezra]

58 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

After several practical instructions on how to obey God as His children, we are reminded that there is a spiritual battle. It is fought with certain armor that allows us to stand against—not cast out—the trickery of the demonic world (6:10)

missmuffet,

Here is another example of Got Questions getting it WRONG.  The above is applicable to Christians, who CANNOT be demon possessed, hence do not require anyone to cast out demons from them!  Those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit can be attacked or oppressed by demons, but never possessed.

Casting out demons is applicable to those who are unsaved, and therefore in many cases demon possessed.  And as Christ told His disciples, those demons must be cast out through prayer and fasting.  

Roman Catholic exorcism have only be valid to the extent that it follows Bible truth, and the RCC does not follow Bible doctrine. 

While you are always eager to quote Got Questions, you should really examine everything they teach, and not try to defend them when their teaching is false (as above).

 

[missmuffet]

10 minutes ago, Ezra said:

missmuffet,

Here is another example of Got Questions getting it WRONG.  The above is applicable to Christians, who CANNOT be demon possessed, hence do not require anyone to cast out demons from them!  Those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit can be attacked or oppressed by demons, but never possessed.

Casting out demons is applicable to those who are unsaved, and therefore in many cases demon possessed.  And as Christ told His disciples, those demons must be cast out through prayer and fasting.  

Roman Catholic exorcism have only be valid to the extent that it follows Bible truth, and the RCC follows Bible doctrine. 

While you are always eager to quote Got Questions, you should really examine everything they teach, and not try to defend them when their teaching is false (as above).

 

Got Questions is right. We are not to cast out demons. There is no false teaching.

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

Seems a bit too antiseptic for me. When Jesus Himself was here on earth (the greatest evangelist and teacher) it appeared the demons went crazy anyhow, so we are now to believe that our evangelism and discipleship will do the trick?

It is something the Bible tells us we should not do.

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

but I think exorcism is a special category of it's own.

Not really, since prayer and fasting is not "special".

[Ezra]

5 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Got Questions is right. We are not to cast out demons. There is no false teaching.

Here we go. As usual defending Got Questions has greater priority than defending the truth.  

They DELIBERATELY misapplied Scripture which is for Christians to the issue of casting out demons from the demon-possessed. The unsaved (who are not God's children) do NOT have the armor of God, yet Got Questions has this very misleading advice:

This does not involve casting out demons, but rather renewing our minds (4:23). After several practical instructions on how to obey God as His children, we are reminded that there is a spiritual battle. It is fought with certain armor that allows us to stand against—not cast out—the trickery of the demonic world (6:10). We stand with truth, righteousness, the gospel, faith, salvation, the Word of God, and prayer (6:10-18).

So a warning to all those who are not solidly grounded: TRUST BUT VERIFY.

[enoob57]

It appears that the purpose of Jesus' disciples performing exorcisms was to show Christ's dominion over the demons (Luke 10:17) and to verify that the disciples were acting in His name and by His authority. It also revealed their faith or lack of faith (Matthew 17:14-21). It was obvious that this act of casting out demons was important to the ministry of the disciples. However, it is unclear what part casting out demons actually played in the discipleship process.
Ezra is this statement not true? If not please show where error is...

Interestingly, there seems to be a shift in the latter part of the New Testament regarding demonic warfare. The teaching portions of the New Testament (Romans through Jude) refer to demonic activity, yet do not discuss the actions of casting them out, nor are believers exhorted to do so. We are told to put on the armor to stand against them (Ephesians 6:10-18). We are told to resist the devil (James 4:7), be careful of him (1 Peter 5:8), and not give him room in our lives (Ephesians 4:27). However, we are not told how to cast him or his demons out of others, or that we should even consider doing so.
Ezra is this statement not true? If not please show where error is...

This is a shift and is explaining sanctification of the children of God in a demon ruling place:
The book of Ephesians gives clear instructions on how we are to have victory in our lives in the battle against the forces of evil. The first step is placing our faith in Christ (2:8-9), which breaks the rule of “the prince of the power of the air” (2:2). We are then to choose, again by God's grace, to put off ungodly habits and to put on godly habits (4:17-24). This does not involve casting out demons, but rather renewing our minds (4:23). After several practical instructions on how to obey God as His children, we are reminded that there is a spiritual battle. It is fought with certain armor that allows us to stand against—not cast out—the trickery of the demonic world (6:10). We stand with truth, righteousness, the gospel, faith, salvation, the Word of God, and prayer (6:10-18).
Please show the error here!

[hmbld]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

Here we go. As usual defending Got Questions has greater priority than defending the truth.  

They DELIBERATELY misapplied Scripture which is for Christians to the issue of casting out demons from the demon-possessed. The unsaved (who are not God's children) do NOT have the armor of God, yet Got Questions has this very misleading advice:

This does not involve casting out demons, but rather renewing our minds (4:23). After several practical instructions on how to obey God as His children, we are reminded that there is a spiritual battle. It is fought with certain armor that allows us to stand against—not cast out—the trickery of the demonic world (6:10). We stand with truth, righteousness, the gospel, faith, salvation, the Word of God, and prayer (6:10-18).

So a warning to all those who are not solidly grounded: TRUST BUT VERIFY.

I think got questions got it right. The demons are cast out when the unsaved get saved!  Then we are to stand.