Muslim Brotherhood Security Breach in Congress

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3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

never heard of 'taqiya'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

So, once again I am given the choice of believing an outsider or believing a man I have known for more than 3 decades, a man that was in my wedding and I was at his.  

There really is no choice.  If people wish to live in fear of such things that is your free will to do so, just do not ask me to join in.

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26 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Perhaps if your friend is a true  Muslim he would follow 'the Book' (Koran). Seeing you have known him for 30 years, and  there is indication he does not, I'll just take it he is like a liberal Christian who does not take serious his  god's word.

I was mainly referring to true Muslims who practice Taqiya.

As you are not a Muslim it is not your place to decide who is and who is not a TRUE Muslim any more than it is the place of  Wiccan to decide who is and who is not a TRUE Christian. 

You have no standing for making such claims.

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10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Baloney and Salami. I am going by their Koran and Hadith. My definition is the same as their books. Why do you think ISIS is busy massacring 'Muslims' as well?

I have had a Wiccan quote chapter and verse from the Bible to tell me what a "true Christian" was.  They just didn't understand where they were going wrong, much like you and the Koran. 

ISIS is killing other Muslims because they cannot agree on what a "True Muslim" is.  There was a time in Christianity's history where Catholics and Protestants were killing each other for the same reasons. 

My question to you is why do you choose to accept ISIS's version of Islam instead of the version of the other 90% of Muslims?

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2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

As you are not a Muslim it is not your place to decide who is and who is not a TRUE Muslim any more than it is the place of  Wiccan to decide who is and who is not a TRUE Christian. 

You have no standing for making such claims.

Oh good grief, now you're defending islam?  Anyone who has ever read the Qur'an knows that  what Yowm says is the truth.  As opposed to PC nonsense.

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36 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Oh good grief, now you're defending islam?  Anyone who has ever read the Qur'an knows that  wqhat Yowm says is the truth.  As opposed to PC nonsense.

No, I am defending the biblical concept put forth in this verse.

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I love to debate and as such I have had many long "discussions" with people outside of Christianity who have told me what a "true Christian" is and one would act and so forth.  I have had Wiccans, atheist and even a rastafarian quote me chapter and verse out of the bible to support their view of how a "true Christian" should act. 

I do not like it when it is done to me as I feel those people being outside of our faith do not have standing to tell us what a true Christian is.   I also feel the same holds true for us when it comes to other religions and faiths, we do not have the standing to tell them what a "true" advocate for their faith looks and acts like.

Let me ask you this, would you accept a Wiccan telling you what a "true Christian" was?

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39 minutes ago, Davida said:

 Do your best friends attend Mosque?  Where do you think they will go when they die?

 

He and his family do.  I know where he will end up and it saddens me greatly.  We have had many discussion about this topic with me sharing the Gospel with him on a few occasions, but he will not budge. 

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As for Math 7:12,  So for me, I wish that others would speak the truth & have no deceit or lies in them. 

Then you should strive to do the same.

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Anyone can read and study any religion and become experts on the religious texts, doctrines and practices  & know quite well what they are about without being a practitioner of that religion. 

Ok.  Richard Dawkins has studied the Bible and is rather an expert on it.  So, by your view should we then take into account what his view of a "true Christian" is?  Should we act the way he thinks our Bible tells us to?

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1 hour ago, Out of the Shadows said:

No, I am defending the biblical concept put forth in this verse.

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I love to debate and as such I have had many long "discussions" with people outside of Christianity who have told me what a "true Christian" is and one would act and so forth.  I have had Wiccans, atheist and even a rastafarian quote me chapter and verse out of the bible to support their view of how a "true Christian" should act. 

I do not like it when it is done to me as I feel those people being outside of our faith do not have standing to tell us what a true Christian is.   I also feel the same holds true for us when it comes to other religions and faiths, we do not have the standing to tell them what a "true" advocate for their faith looks and acts like.

Let me ask you this, would you accept a Wiccan telling you what a "true Christian" was?

No, I would not.  But I, like most knowlegable people, base my idea of a true muslim on the Qur'an.  It's written there, for the world to see, so there is no point in arguing that a 'true' muslim is not someone who wants to kill or convert everyone......it's a proven fact and there is no way to deny it. 

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1 hour ago, Out of the Shadows said:

No, I am defending the biblical concept put forth in this verse.

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I love to debate and as such I have had many long "discussions" with people outside of Christianity who have told me what a "true Christian" is and one would act and so forth.  I have had Wiccans, atheist and even a rastafarian quote me chapter and verse out of the bible to support their view of how a "true Christian" should act. 

I do not like it when it is done to me as I feel those people being outside of our faith do not have standing to tell us what a true Christian is.   I also feel the same holds true for us when it comes to other religions and faiths, we do not have the standing to tell them what a "true" advocate for their faith looks and acts like.

Let me ask you this, would you accept a Wiccan telling you what a "true Christian" was?

There is a notable difference in all of these religions and Christianity and that is that they are all false. There are true Christians. There is no such thing as a "true muslim" because there is no Sovereign God behind it dictating the truth. It was invented by a man and it has been perpetuated by men. As such, a true muslim is whatever the people who are following islam decides a true muslim is at any given time. One cannot say that the radicals are not "true muslims" just like one cannot reasonably say that the non-radicals are not "true muslims." We can, however, objectively look at their false texts and determine what they claim.

They have no standing to interpret Christianity because being a Christian and truly understanding the scriptures requires having the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not guide the islamists through the koran nor any other false religion through their false, lying texts. What this means is that a Christian has every bit as much of a "standing" to objectively interpret the root texts of islam because it is simply a book written by a guy. It might as well be a novel. There is no authority behind the koran, period. There is, however, Authority behind the scriptures, because they were left to us by God. The words of muhammad are as worthless as the paper they are mass printed on. The word of God is eternal and literally priceless. So you can certainly objectively determine what is said in the koran, so long as you can read and interpret something like the adventures of tom sawyer or the cat in the hat, because the koran has no more authority behind it than either of those books.

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1 hour ago, Davida said:

You just sound like you work for CAIR.

Why, because I do not hate Muslims like the rest of you?

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7 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Why, because I do not hate Muslims like the rest of you?

We should not hate the Muslim. We should not hate anyone. But the Muslim has a different God than the Christian.