The Rapture and Jewish Feasts

[Ezra]

2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

By all means then enlighten me..... How is it misapplied?

Well for starters just ask yourself if Ezekiel is writing about a temple in Jerusalem ON EARTH, and how all the prophecies pertaining to future Israel (including those in Isaiah) tie into the prophecy of Ezekiel.  

Then ask yourself where the New Jerusalem is, and whether or not it is distinct from Jerusalem on earth (which is an earthly city in contrast to heavenly Jerusalem).

The dimensions of the New Jerusalem are 1500 CUBIC MILES.  Just the length and the breadth would be the size of a continent.  So how can the New Jerusalem be on earth?  It will be above the earth and take the place of the sun.

Once that is settled, there is no question that there will be close and direct communication between the two Jerusalems, but we cannot possibly comprehend how, since we do not have the full picture.

So the bottom line is that New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church, whereas restored Jerusalem on earth is the "capital city" of restored Israel on earth (and presumably of the entire earth mentioned as "the nations").

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Ezra said:

See, here's the thing.  You know that the Rapture is distinct from the Second Coming, yet you quote Matthew 24 WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE. It is all about Jersusalem, Judea, the Jews, Israel, the Abomination of Desolation, the Great Tribulation, and the Second Coming of Christ.

That's the way I used to see it. But Christ came to the Lost sheep of Israel. I did an exegesis on the whole chapter. YUP I DID, LOL. And I discovered something very deep things. Nothing in Matthew 1-14 has anything to do wit any end time period. The writer does not have the chapter in its proper order, of course he probably didn't understand the Rapture. Anyhow, Jesus was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel, in chapter 24 they ask him when shall the things be, when will be the sign of thy coming and when will the end be, THREE QUESTIONS.

They asked this because Jesus was speaking about the destruction of the Temple, I think verse 6 is about that...6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

I think Jesus is telling his disciples, you will hear of wars and rumors of wars, OF COURSE !! The Holy Spirit would lead them away from these perilous times, none of the Disciple would be in Jerusalem at this time, hence he tells them, you will hear.....etc. But the END IS NOT YET !! The destruction of the temple is not the end. He knows they will hear from afar, so he warns them, this is NOT THE END. God just gave that to me recently.

Now Jesus has to tell them about the End, because that is what they asked about. Jesus has one problem we don't see. He is the Messiah to ALL THE LOST SHEEP !! He must inform the Messianic Jew their plight and the Unbelieving Jews their plight...EVERYONE MISSES THIS. Most Jews will be unbelievers when Jesus returns, probably 85-95 percent. These are the Jews that must Flee Judea when the Abomination happens, WE AGREE... They go through a time of trouble like never before, if Jesus did not come back no flesh would be saved. Then Jesus warns them about false christs and false prophets, saying do not go unto the desert or secret chamber etc. etc. Then he tells them where they will see him coming, IN THE EASTERN SKIES !! Jesus tells them this because this is the Second Coming, Israel has turned to Jesus Christ just before the Abomination happens, the two-witnesses lead them to Christ (Malachi 4:5-6). The Anti-Christ wants to draw them out of their protective zone, in the wilderness, where God protects the Woman (Israel Rev. 12) for 1260 Days, so he can kill them. Then as we see, Jesus comes back, immediately after the tribulation, just like Rev. 19 indicates, and the Church is with Him.

Now Jesus has to inform the Messianic Jews their plight, this actually happens before verse 14, but the writer evidently doesn't understand when the rapture is compared to the Second Coming, he might not of even realized it was different........ But in Matthew 32-44 we see the RAPTURE of the Church.  Jesus tells the Messianic Jews/Christian Jew their plight. There will be two in he field, one will be taken and the OTHER LEFT.......This is the Rapture. WATCH, for you know not what Hour your Lord cometh. But we know when the Second Coming is, it will be 1260 Days after the Abomination of Desolation, EVERYONE will see the Two-witnesses ascend, we will all see the Sixth Vial, where they gather at Armageddon !! 

 

Also, the Rapture here is said to be like unto the Days of Noah, people are caught unawares, Marrying, drinking, partying etc. etc. I don't think the Second Coming will be like that, everyone will see Gods Plagues, and will be in hiding, not partying !! 

 

Jesus painted two pictures here. The Rapture (Matthew 32-44 for the Messianic Jews like his disciples) and THE SECOND COMING, for the Jews who go through the Tribulation. After all, Jesus was a Prophet/Messiah to ALL ISRAEL. 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

But as we see; those who are locked onto the rapture theory, will only realize how wrong they were when disaster strikes and they remain on earth.

 

Ummmmm huh.

[n2thelight]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Right: after those in Christ die. Our souls are kept in heaven, but only those killed for their faith, participate in the first resurrection. Rev 20:4, the rest of the dead await the GWT Judgement= some to the lake of fire, those whose names are in the Book of Life, to eternal life.

Here's how I see it,at the 7th and last trump when Christ returns ALL are changed,saint and sinner alike,most believe that the soul is automatically immortal,yet that's not the case.

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Keras said:

Right: after those in Christ die. Our souls are kept in heaven, but only those killed for their faith, participate in the first resurrection. Rev 20:4, the rest of the dead await the GWT Judgement= some to the lake of fire, those whose names are in the Book of Life, to eternal life.

But as we see; those who are locked onto the rapture theory, will only realize how wrong they were when disaster strikes and they remain on earth.

 

You can remain behind and tribulate if you wish - and it seems you do. But for those that wish to escape these things and be raptured out before His wrath, Jesus will come for us. That is the truth of scripture.  Of course you will never see this because you are not willing to take off your preconceived glasses.

[Keras]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You can remain behind and tribulate if you wish - and it seems you do. But for those that wish to escape these things and be raptured out before His wrath, Jesus will come for us. That is the truth of scripture.  Of course you will never see this because you are not willing to take off your preconceived glasses.

Really, Lamad. How old are you?

You are one who I have been discussing prophecy for some years now. You have stuck to your belief of a rapture to heaven and I have opposed that view. I show that God's plan always was; to have a people in the holy Land, who are His witnesses and shine His Light to the nations. God does not change and His plan will come to fruition.

We are both Christian believers, but one of us is wrong in our beliefs about what will soon happen. And you know what? It doesn't matter, provided  all Christians maintain our faith and trust in Jesus.  But when the fiery test comes, 1 Peter 4:12, it will be harder for those who expected to be raptured.

[Ezra]

16 hours ago, Keras said:

But as we see; those who are locked onto the rapture theory, will only realize how wrong they were when disaster strikes and they remain on earth.

Where does Scripture say that disaster is reserved for the saints?  All the judgments are reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly.

When the Flood came upon the earth, Noah, his family, and all the animals in the Ark were safe and sound.  And Enoch had already been translated to Heaven. That was the rapture of Enoch.  The rapture is not a "theory" but a Bible doctrine.  And if you mean the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, that too is a Bible doctrine.

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

Where does Scripture say that disaster is reserved for the saints?  All the judgments are reserved for the unbelieving and the ungodly.

Why must I correct you, as you constantly mis-read my posts?

Prophecy is plain: the forthcoming disaster by fire from the sun, will come upon the whole world over. Zephaniah 3:8, Luke 21:35     As there is no such thing as a rapture removal to heaven, we who stand firm in our faith and call upon the Name of the Lord, will be protected from harm during this terrible one day event. Over 30 Bible verses prove this protection that God will do for His people.

My doctrine, that I believe is plainly supported by scripture, whereas your rapture theory has no clear verse to prove it. In face many verses say such a thing as a general rapture, as you envisage, is impossible.

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

Prophecy is plain: the forthcoming disaster by fire from the sun, will come upon the whole world over. Zephaniah 3:8, Luke 21:35  

Yes, while the Church is already in Heaven.  I guess you missed that part.  Scripture does not equate the world with the Church.

[Daniel 11:36]

Not true

The changing of all of the pre-tribulation believers to immortality will take place just before, both OT and NT

Then the Lord will take His vengeance upon an unbelieving world

However, He will not withdraw His salvation for those who will turn to Him during the tribulation

Some will turn .... the 144000 of Israel, others of Israel, and those of the Gentiles who will turn during the tribulation [Revelation 7:1-7; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 6: 9-11; 13:7]

Those who do turn and are killed during the tribulation will be raised to immortality at the end of the period [Revelation 11:3-12; 20:1-4] ... then the balance will enter the Lord's millennial kingdom as mortals, of both Israel and the Gentiles [Matthew 25:31-46] ... and those in unbelief will be left out