Is Maryology Idolatry?

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On 5/4/2017 at 2:53 PM, inchrist said:

Of cause just like not worth your time to actually understand catholics dont worship saints or mary.

 

Who do they worship?

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7 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Perhaps go to the catholic website and read

Since your a catholic you should be able to tell me all about it. Unless you don't even know what the RCC really stands for.

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1 minute ago, inchrist said:

Go to the source....not hard....and why dont you tell me what they believe with backing from the catholic site.

Start with who is mediator between God and man

I guess you don't really understand what the RCC believes. You haven't told me what you think they really believe yet.

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Just now, inchrist said:

Lol you cant even do that can you....how on earth do you know what they believe when you refuse to go and look up what they believe..  

I am really not interested in your games.

Start backing yourself

How do you know? You have no idea what research I've done on anything. You refuse to accept to the truth and that's ok with me.

You have yet to prove what anyone on here has said about the Catholic church praying to Mary a as false. Because there is no way you can prove it wrong. Until you can bring valid evidence to prove that the RCC is worshiping mary. Me and you have nothing to speak about. I have asked you twice to tell me what you think the catholic church believes instead of sharing your beliefs. You point me to a website and tell me to look it up for myself. Which tells me you have no idea what they actually believe.

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7 hours ago, Davida said:

This example of a  False RC Prayer won't work for anyone anymore then praying to the Sun or the Moon, or a hindu deity or Buddhist deity,  and the Bible informs us how to pray righteously so that GOD in heaven hears us, it will bring no blessings only self-delusion and lead further away from the True source of Holiness & Power our Lord Jesus Christ .  The Lord JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY LIBERATOR! Only HE can SAVE us. Only HE Can Cast out Demons. Only He Can Forgive our Sins & Guide us & answer our prayers.

The Prayers to dead saints is an insult to Christ Jesus and to the Heavenly Father God and the Holy Spirit.   The Bible calls this is an abomination and it is blasphemy to pray to dead saints .  These prayers and help that is asked for in the Prayer to St. Anthony is what we ask JESUS to grant for us . 

The Bible says Jesus is the name above all names. 

Phil 2:"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11.  and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.…"

Saint Anthony, Liberator of Prisoners

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2. Prayers

"Dear St. Anthony,

 

I am imprisoned by walls of selfishness, prejudice, suspicion. I am enslaved by human respect and the fear of other people's opinions of me. St. Anthony,

Liberator of Prisoners, tear down my prison walls.

Break the chains that hold me captive.

Make me free with the freedom Christ has won for me.

To your powerful intercession I also recommend these intentions. (Name them.)"

Is that the St. Antony of Egypt? If so, I read his writings in The Desert Fathers and it was bizarre. He believed demons are allowed to claw, torture, and beat up Christians, when Jesus Christ says, "Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you," (Luke 10:19), "So humble yourselves before God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you," (James 4:7), "But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep [you] from evil," (2 Thessalonians 3:3), "And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, he who accuses them day and night before our God, They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death." (Revelation 12:10-11).
 

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22 hours ago, inchrist said:

Wrong you can easily  see a picture of mary in Rev 12 

Totally wrong that is not Mary in Revelation 12 that is ISRAEL

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23 hours ago, inchrist said:

Thats an opinion statement, ive already explained the foundation for this in the catholic belief.

Regarding Mary as Mediatrix or whatever that was not an opinion statement on my part it is FACT. The RCC and Orthodox church love to play 1984 type word games like 2+2=5 to justify their stance on Mary as Mediator and Advocate but it doesnt work. They cant weasel their way out of this no matter how hard they try. True Spirit filled Christians know the truth.

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On 5/5/2017 at 10:17 AM, shiloh357 said:

Actually it is not talking about saints and angels.   "Angels" and "Heavenly Hosts"  are the same thing.   It is a form of Hebrew parallelism, where the same thing  is repeated in a different words.   Saints are never referred as Heavenly hosts in Scripture, that I am aware of.

Hmm you may be right but one could possibly see it that way as being saints and angels

tsâbâʼ, tsaw-baw'; or (feminine) צְבָאָה tsᵉbâʼâh; from H6633; a mass of persons (or figuratively, things), especially reg. organized for war (an army); by implication, a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically, hardship, worship):—appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare).

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2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

True spirit filled Christians no better than to bear false witness (Exodus 20:16)

 

So why not argue the JW position as a JW rather than attach it to catholocism?  Are you unaware that catholics believe Jesus is God?  This important detail renders your argument obsolete from a catholic position.

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2 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

Hmm you may be right but one could possibly see it that way as being saints and angels

tsâbâʼ, tsaw-baw'; or (feminine) צְבָאָה tsᵉbâʼâh; from H6633; a mass of persons (or figuratively, things), especially reg. organized for war (an army); by implication, a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically, hardship, worship):—appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare).

It refers to human beings IF you are talking about an earthly army under an earthly king.   But when speaking of the heavenly beings it is always referring to the angels/angelic army.