500th anniv of Protestant Reformation. Luther or Pope Francis? Which is right?

[Fidei Defensor]

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

Do you mean they profess 'Prima Scriptura' but their practice is as the 'Dark Ages of Biblicism'?

Yes indeed. I meant that.

[Limey_Bob]

On 2017-5-27 at 1:40 PM, Gary Lee said:

Won what. What's the prize? What's the contest. Light vs darkness. Have we so easily forgot, the victory was Calvary. It is finished. Raise up your head. (He's coming back to claim HIS prize)

Gary, thank you for your wise and godly comments, of course the victory was won at Calvary. However, looking at the "church" here in the south-west of the UK, it has abandoned most of the gospel; i.e. many / most so-called Christians over here in the UK cannot define the Trinity, therefore they have an inadequate view of the person and work of Christ, those being so, as the New Covenant is Trinitarian (i.e. God the Father makes a covenant with his Son mediated through the Holy Spirit, who imparts the righteousness of Christ to us and our sins to Christ re Hebrews 9:13-15), these people cannot accurately preach the gospel, therefore they focus instead upon their own personal experiences and personal feelings, rather than focus upon Trinity, Christ, New Covenant. It's so sad to see, but what calls itself the church is slipping deeper and deeper in apostasy. The fuel for this is GOD TV and the madness of the latest crazy trends and fads within evangelicalism and the charismatic churches.

[Behold]

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The "winner" is whomever does not adore or confess "Mary" as the "Queen of Heaven", a "perpetual virgin", and a mediator between God and man.

The "winner" is whomever does not accept "baptismal regeneration" or "prayers for the dead".

The "winner" is whomever does not accept "transubstantiation".

The "winner" is whomever accepts "justification by Faith", alone.

The "winner" is whomever rejects the idea of "papal infallibility".
 

[BobRyan]

16 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

It is ironic, at the dawn of 500th anniversary of the Reformation, more and more reformed believers are flocking to the RCC and EOC which are Prima Scriptura and still in Dark Ages of Biblicalism.

Are you saying that the RCC and EOC are in "Biblicalism" in their objection to sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice?

[BobRyan]

 

 

On 5/26/2017 at 11:31 PM, BobRyan said:

As we enter the 500th year of the Protestant Reformation - is it time to declare its "demise" as Pope Francis announced a few years ago?

 

"We are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist" (Martin Luther).  D'Aubigné, b.6, ch. 9. 

By contrast 500 years after the reformation started -- who do Lutherans agree with? Luther? or Pope Francis? What about other Protesant groups - can any of them really get behind Luther's statement?

In all fairness to Luther - the Popes had already been saying that same thing about each other - before Luther ever did. Maybe they were all wrong. OR where they?

What makes anyone think that they might have all been right?

What are your thoughts on this 500th anniversary year?

 

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from: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/july-24th-2015/the-popes-great-evangelical-gamble/

"Somewhere in Pope Francis’s office is a document that could alter the course of Christian history. It declares an end to hostilities between Catholics and Evangelicals and says the two traditions are now “united in mission because we are declaring the same Gospel”. The Holy Father is thinking of signing the text in 2017, the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, alongside Evangelical leaders representing roughly one in four Christians in the world today.

Francis is convinced that the Reformation is already over. He believes it ended in 1999, the year the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation issued a joint declaration on justification, the doctrine at the heart of Luther’s protest."

 

On 5/27/2017 at 0:22 AM, Yowm said:

I was in the Lutheran Church for a number of years and what I saw were basically two camps.

1. those that held loosely to Scripture, held to high church liturgy, emphasized Church politics etc., these had a tendency to go East or Rome.

2. those that held to Scripture and took seriously the Book of Concord (teachings of Luther, Melancthon and Chemnitz)...these would not and will not compromise with Rome even today.

 

So then those the take scripture seriously - not likely to abandon "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition? Nice!

[Fidei Defensor]

35 minutes ago, BobRyan said:

Are you saying that the RCC and EOC are in "Biblicalism" in their objection to sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice?

Nay, I meant they are in dark ages regarding The Bible and knowledge thereof in comparison to Protestants.

[Fidei Defensor]

I am going to celebrate 500th Anniversary. To me what Luther achieved was same spirit Jesus had when he cleared the Temple. Jesus entered the Temple and found House of Prayer had become a house of profit, and he cleared it out. Luther in same way came against the Indulgence System of purchasing salvation and the merit of saints. This is only one example of Luther's contribution, had he only translated the New Testament into German we would have heard of him. But I think we should celebrate the Scriptures becoming available, the break from the Bablyonian Captivity, and the Gospel being set free.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Fidei Defensor