Muslims 'outraged' over billboard that insults the prophet mohammad

[Steve_S]

Just now, Running Gator said:

They already know it is wrong, I do not need to show them anything.  

What my post do is highlight the hypocrisy of their actions and the overall double standard that exist on this part of the forum.  

There is a thread about people worshiping Obama and everyone piles on and it is like a pep rally for a football game.  Then there is a thread about people worshiping Trump and everyone loses their collective minds and there is gnashing of teeth and all sorts of indignation, mostly by the same people that were at the pep rally of the other thread. 

So you highlight the hypocrisy by doing the exact same thing? I don't think there is a double standard that "exists on this part of the forum" either. There just happens to be more conservatives than liberals on this website. As far as how you "highlight the hypocrisy"... it doesn't much seem to me that disparaging a tactic and then using it is ever going to reach anyone.

If you honestly believe that it is okay to lump all people on the right into the group that wants muslims to be killed, etc., what makes you any different from the a person who lumps all muslims together, etc.? In that scenario it would seem that the only difference in you and them is that you happen to believe something that they don't. If you both happened to believe the same thing, you'd be on the bandwagon together, wouldn't you? 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Running Gator said:

It is always the few that are on the fringe, be it the right or the left.  There are a billion Muslims in the world and yet the majority of the people on this forum seem to have no issue lumping them all in to the same category as the few that commit terrorist acts.   And nobody but me and a couple others have an issue with such things.

That is not really true.  We have always separated out the ones who commit the terrorism from those who do not.   What we do point out is that the same ideological worldview is shared regardless of who is committing the terrorist act.  Those who are not out committing terrorism don't oppose those who do in meaningful ways.  Rather, they provide aid, comfort, funding, training, encouragement and inspiration to the terrorists.  

We have a history of Muslim "charities"  being used to funnel money to terrorism.  Muslim governments all over the world are funding and training and recruiting for terrorist acts.   Multiple Muslim nations have waged a number of wars against Israel to wipe it out of existence and Imams all over the world call for Israel's destruction and the annihilation of the Jews on a regular basis.

The terrorists are not independent of Muslim governments and broader organizations.  They are all intertwined and the non-terrorists are very much part of the network and provide ancillary aid to the terrorists.

The thousands of women who have been raped in Europe were not raped by "terrorists."   They were raped by men following an ideology that allows them to rape non-Muslim women without penalty.

The ones committing terror are not a few.  ISIS and Al Qaeda are not a "few."    The Muslim Brotherhood are not a "few."  Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and the Al Aksa Brigade are not a "few."   Al Shabab are not a "few."  

Those Muslim nations in Africa were once not Muslim at all.   Afghanistan was once  a Buddhist nation.   But they were conquered by Islam and many people were tortured, raped, beheaded in the name of making those countries, "Islamic."   Islam has a very bloody history.    One reason why Islam is 1 billion strong is because of its bloodthirsty, barbaric history of forced conversions upon penalty of death.

 

[Running Gator]

12 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

So you highlight the hypocrisy by doing the exact same thing? I don't think there is a double standard that "exists on this part of the forum" either. There just happens to be more conservatives than liberals on this website. As far as how you "highlight the hypocrisy"... it doesn't much seem to me that disparaging a tactic and then using it is ever going to reach anyone.

If you honestly believe that it is okay to lump all people on the right into the group that wants muslims to be killed, etc., what makes you any different from the a person who lumps all muslims together, etc.? In that scenario it would seem that the only difference in you and them is that you happen to believe something that they don't. If you both happened to believe the same thing, you'd be on the bandwagon together, wouldn't you? 

First off, I didn't do the "exact same thing".  I never said everyone on the right was doing anything, I highlight examples of what some people on the right are doing, some on this very forum. 

Here is what I said...And it is common knowledge that the radical conservatives are more than happy to throw the Constitution out the window to keep that from happening.

Explain how that is "lumping everyone together".   Explain how this is the same as saying that every, single Muslim should be kicked out of the country because none of the can be trusted. 

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

A true Muslim will strive to implement and abide by Sharia law. How is that compatible with our Constitution? Or are we talking nominal Muslims, the ones ISIS wants dead?

You have no more standing to say what a "true Muslim" is any more than they do to tell us what a "true Christian" is.  

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My definition of an American would be one who wants to uphold the constitution and see change through lawful means, not by violence, what's yours?

That is a good start. I severed with many Muslims that fit this description to a T and yet there are those that would kick them all out of the country and those that cannot even bring themselves to admit they are actually Americans.

The hate is not healthy, and not Christ-like in the least.

[Steve_S]

5 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

First off, I didn't do the "exact same thing".  I never said everyone on the right was doing anything, I highlight examples of what people on the right are doing, some on this very forum. 

Here is what I said...And it is common knowledge that the radical conservatives are more than happy to throw the Constitution out the window to keep that from happening.

Explain how that is "lumping everyone together".   Explain how this is the same as saying that every, single Muslim should be kicked out of the country because none of the can be trusted. 

Actually, this is something you said as well, which is what I was replying to in the first place:

I am not the one trying to attack the constitution, that would be you all on the right and your counterparts on the left.  Pointing out that the left also attacks the constitution does not excuse the right doing it.  All it does is show how very alike the two sides really are.

"You all on the right" includes a whole lot of people, including many who have never advocated such things.

I do have a question, though, are you against the constitution being "thrown out the window" in all situations?

[other one]

I don't think that it's hate that puts most of us against Islam, it's a good understanding of how Islam works....   it's interesting that most of the people who push Islam as a simple religion have really not studied it thoroughly.

[Steve_S]

7 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

You have no more standing to say what a "true Muslim" is any more than they do to tell us what a "true Christian" is.  

I disagree with this. Christianity is real, which is why only a "true Christian" can truly understand Christianity, because discernment from the Holy Spirit is required to do so. However, islam is a false religion. The god of islam is not real. Therefore, nothing to do with the religion is real. They are worshiping absolutely nothing. What this effectively means is that islam is what anyone who practices it or views it from the outside decides it is. There is no objective and absolute truth because there is no Truth Giver. A Christian is actually far more qualified to explain things of a spiritual nature to a muslim, because muslims are worshiping nothing but an invented false deity.

[other one]

6 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

You have no more standing to say what a "true Muslim" is any more than they do to tell us what a "true Christian" is.  

Yes I do.

[Running Gator]

8 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

I do have a question, though, are you against the constitution being "thrown out the window" in all situations?

As a general rule, yes.  I am sure everyone could come up with some "24 like" example and say "what about this..."  but I will say at this point in time there is nothing happening in our country that would give cause for the constitutions to be ignored.   We have done that enough since 9/11 we do not need to keep adding on.

I do have a question for you, if the terrorist by their actions cause us to "throw out the constitution" and to change our society in respsone to their actions, is that not a win for them and a loss for us?

[Steve_S]

Just now, Running Gator said:

As a general rule, yes.  I am sure everyone could come up with some "24 like" example and say "what about this..."  but I will say at this point in time there is nothing happening in our country that would give cause for the constitutions to be ignored.   We have done that enough since 9/11 we do not need to keep adding on.

Are you okay with it having been thrown (by amendment, of course) out with regards to slavery and women enfranchisement?

1 minute ago, Running Gator said:

I do have a question for you, if the terrorist by their actions cause us to "throw out the constitution" and to change our society in respsone to their actions, is that not a win for them and a loss for us?

Our society already has changed as a response to their actions. Any society that comes under attack in the way that happened on September 11th is going to invariably change. I would not be okay with basic freedoms being taken away, no.