Paradise through Jesus

[Pudgenik]

2 hours ago, simplejeff said:

No,  it's not that hard if you agree with God's Word says clearly that most of mankind is condemned.  Read Revelation, et al.

 

So you believe then that God creates people to be condemned? 

Not everyone has the luggury  of being born in a Christian atmosphere.

[KiwiChristian]

22 hours ago, Pudgenik said:

This is a matter that requires some thought. For if we are to say, you must know who Jesus is, and repent of your sins. Then you have condemned most of mankind.

And before you answer, what of the tribes in Africa before England and France and all the others who wanted colonies. What of those in Australia, before they were discovered. What of all those created "Children of God" who never got a chance.  Are they all condemned? Does our God create people only to be condemned?

God condemns people who REJECT Jesus.

 

Also, God says His law is written on EVERY MANS heart.

[fixerupper]

21 minutes ago, KiwiChristian said:

God condemns people who REJECT Jesus.

 

Also, God says His law is written on EVERY MANS heart.

This is where the JUSTICE OF GOD really becomes a question.  I think we'll all be surprised as to how we are judged.  What may condemn me, may not condemn you...What does it mean to reject Jesus?

There are only a few ways to reject Jesus.

1.  To deny that he bought us.  (redemption)

2.  To deny the Father.

3.  To deny the SON.

4.  To confess NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Those are about the only damnable heresies I know of.  

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

One author said about that...

You are responsible for what you know. And having received the greater knowledge, if you do not act in accordance to that knowledge, then there shall come the greater degree of punishment.

Edited June 29, 2017 by fixerupper

[Pudgenik]

10 hours ago, Yowm said:

Have you not read in Scripture (same book of Romans)

Romans 3:9-18 NASBS
[9] What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; [10] as it is written, "There IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; [11] THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; [12] ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." [13] "Their THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "The POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS"; [14] "Whose MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS"; [15] "Their FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, [16] DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, [17] AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." [18] "There IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

 

Of who was Paul speaking of, certainly not himself, nor the other apostles, nor all who stayed with them. So who is Paul talking about?

Is he talking about you. Think about it. The scripture talks about situations in this reguard. If All people are like what you quote, then you are also among them. Yet you are not. Nor s this child and many like him that were forced to take thier own parents lives.

These experiences are well documented.

[Pudgenik]

55 minutes ago, KiwiChristian said:

God condemns people who REJECT Jesus.

 

Also, God says His law is written on EVERY MANS heart.

Who said anyone was rejecting God. Is God "Love"? If a man loves, deeply, is not God there too? 

To be honest, it is the Christins of this day and age that have to be worried. Oh yes you do. You can shout to the rooftops, I know Jesus. But it is written, "knowing the Law will not save you".

Do you even know what Jesus is?  Jesus is the Law, the Word of God, that was written on the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Jesus is the Word, The Law of God, that was carried in the womb of the Ark of the Covenant.

Jesus railed at the Pharisees for locking up the truth from the Children of Israel. Speaking of only the Law but not the Spirit of the Law.

The modern Christians are in that very same boat. Talking only of the letter of the Law, and forgetting the spirit of the Law. The spirit of the Law is that the Word of God must be written on your heart. You must be in Love with God. And being in love with God is also seeing All His Children as brothers and sisters in Him. 

I don't care if a man can't seem to figure God out in his head. It is where his heart is that matters.

[KiwiChristian]

16 minutes ago, Pudgenik said:

Who said anyone was rejecting God. Is God "Love"? If a man loves, deeply, is not God there too? 

 

Yes, God IS love. He is also hate. He is also JUST.

[Pudgenik]

1 hour ago, KiwiChristian said:

Yes, God IS love. He is also hate. He is also JUST.

God is not Hate. That is of the devil.  

Scripture states, "God is Love". 

If Jesus, the Word of God, says, 'God is Love', then Jesus is also speaking of Himself. "The Father and I are One".

Therefore, we can understand, the nature of Jesus is Love. 

Look at the thief on the cross, he cared nothing for himself, but showed compassion to Jesus. Compassion, a form of Love. Christ was already present in the thief, even before Jesus told him " today you'll be with me in Paradise."

[Pudgenik]

45 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Yes, Paul made the case that ALL have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, that includes me...and you.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
(Rom 3:23)
 

So now we have to understand, God loves. All His Children. Even those who know him not. 

We know God doesn't create people for hell. The idea of that is insane.

In understanding scripture, Paul makes a curious statement. "For those who know the Law, they will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law, they will be judged by the Law written in thier hearts".

This bears witness to the fact, all are eligible to be children of God.

We should not so redilly judge the grace God allows all mankind. It is from our love and God's love that the world can still be saved.

[Pudgenik]

Just now, Yowm said:

God loves those especially who embrace His Son. Not all people are His children, not all are born again.

Hell was made for the devil and His angels. Men go there who trust in anything other than His Word. We are born under Adam's condemnation.

Therefore, as one trespass (Adam's) led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
(Rom 5:18)
 

Yes, Jew and Gentile...and apart from the perfect righteousness  of Christ accredited to them through faith they will be found guilty...because ALL have sinned.

All may be eligible, but all will be certain through faith in Jesus.

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (John 1:12)
 

That grace is extended to all through the bloody sacrifice of God's Son at Calvary and is proclaimed in the Gospel.

24[All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,
²⁵ Whom God put forward [before the eyes of all] as a mercy seat and propitiation by His blood [the cleansing and life-giving sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation, to be received] through faith. This was to show  righteousness, because in His divine forbearance He had passed over and ignored former sins without punishment. (AMPC)

and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
(Rom 3:24-25)
 

 

 

Yown you were so close, and now you want to go back to this arguement.

Stop chopping up what I'm saying and look at my whole message.

Where is your compassion, is it blinded by your knowledge of the book.

Your knowledge is incomplete. You only use the Word against God's intention. God so loved the world. You remind me of Paul when he was a young man, so full of the word, the knowledge of the word. But he didn't get it. He had to be shown his error. And he became God's spokesman. 

Please dont force God's hand. 

I pray for you Yown. That the Father will open your heart and mind.

God's love always.

The servant of the Most High God

[Willa]

 

 

Joh 3:16  "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.  Joh 3:17  For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Joh 3:18  Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

There are people who do not read verses in context so they don't receive all of God's message.  The whole world is condemned to hell already.   God sent His Son to make a way for us to be be rescued when we believe and receive Christ.  The rest of the world remains condemned to hell unless they repent.  

 Act 17:30  The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

That is the message we must also deliver to this generation.  Repent from the sin of unbelief and trust in Jesus.  If you remain in the sin of unbelief you will go to hell.