lesson from eve's life

[simplejeff]

11 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

We know who we should have as friends.

It is relatively easy to prove otherwise.  Most people do not know.

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

It is relatively easy to prove otherwise.  Most people do not know.

Yes, born again believers should not be unevenly yoked with a girlfriend, boyfriend, spouse or friend.

[missmuffet]

10 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Many (at least 'called' born again)  DO get tempted and fall,  failing to resist temptation every day .....

Yes, if a person does not have a close relationship with Christ they can get tempted. And will suffer the consequences and will regret it.

[coheir]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

That is true but would we want her displayed on Worthy naked?

No we wouldn't

[creativemechanic]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

That is true but would we want her displayed on Worthy naked?

exactly.. if you look closely, theres a bit of her bust exposed. reason is that originally, i drew it  with no leaves but a lot of bust was on display. so is drew in the leaves to cover it up more.

[other one]

kind of darned if you do and darned if you don't....   the way of Worthy.....

[JohnD]

This brings up an interesting side discussion (not to derail this one).

Missmuffet asked an interesting question that most will only answer the way they believe they should answer it.

5 hours ago, missmuffet said:

That is true but would we want her displayed on Worthy naked?

Who here will say yes to this question?

Hear me out.

The Bible says Adam and Eve were naked. I realize this disturbs folks, but the Bible pulls no punches. Still it is only mentioned and not displayed or in any way described or depicted in scripture.

And if there would be a venue for Christians to display nudity, this certainly would NOT be one of them.

What am I driving at?

The war with the flesh.

If we were frank, some of us would have to admit yes part of us DOES want to see forbidden nudity (that's our flesh).

And part of us DO NOT want to see it at all (that's the Holy Spirit living in us).

Next point. How many of us even remember or know there is a war within each and every one of us?

In my childhood no one questioned the laws against drug usage. People could not resist them. And they trashed the lives of people addicted to them.

Isn't flagrant sexuality as irresistible as drugs and even more so?

1 Corinthians 6:18 (AV)
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Some would argue a difference exists between nudity and fornication. But note the two translations of the same text:

Leviticus 18:8 (AV)
8 The nakedness of thy father’s wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father’s nakedness.

Leviticus 18:8 (NIV84)
8 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

Ancient Hebrews knew that nudity so led to sexual relations that one could equate each with the other.  Now notice what biblical nakedness includes:

Isaiah 47:1–3 (AV)
1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

The same Bible that pulled no punches in Eden pulls no punches here.

Isaiah and Jeremiah speak of times when public displays of (especially) feminine nudity and fornication were so rampant that people did not even know how to blush or be ashamed, and were always neighing after everyone else's wives.

We tolerate a lot. We participate a lot. We expose not only adults to this sexual saturation but little kids. I was shocked 30 + years ago the things little kids have been exposed to in TV, movies, school, work, uh even Churches! Things adults should not deal with (according to scripture)... I remember when I was a kid dealing with what little skin was showing back then... it grieves me what we put children and each other through in the name of personal freedom or expression.

So, in answer to the question, yeah there is a part of me that wants to see it and that's the problem and why I come to places like Worthy not to see them. But we must certainly face the moral dilemma around us elsewhere. If we only pray about it.  God help us!