WHAT IS THE FALLING AWAY

[wingnut-]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I disagree: I think every baby and child up to the age of accountability will go up also. It is harvest time to God and I think He will "harvest" all He can.  If this is true, maybe close to 30% up to 50% of earth's population will suddenly disappear. It will shake the world more than any event ever has. 

 

Matthew 13:36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

[iamlamad]

13 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Is it not written in your Scripture:  "you all are elohim" !  (Jesus quoted this Scripture to the religious leaders).

 

We all (all ekklesia that is) go along with YHVH.   It is all His Way,  or no way.

None of us are making God's decisions for Him on a second by second basis!

[iamlamad]

5 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

Matthew 13:36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

I think we ARE at the end of the age.

[iamlamad]

7 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

  HIS PLAN,  is not stated about some things in Scripture, and trying to decide what His Plan is about those things is , well,  not good I think.  TRUST HIM, TRUST He works all things out for GOOD for everyone who LOVES HIM, who is CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.

We cannot contradict HIS WORD when HE SAYS nothing unclean ever enters heaven.   So the status of multitudes of people and babies , born and unborn,  is at best UNKNOWN (If God doesn't say what it is),  and at worse for them,  well, you already know.

We cannot save anyone who God doesn't save.  It is in HIS WISDOM and PLAN and SOVEREIGNTY and ALWAYS in PERFECT HARMONY with ALL HIS WORD  whatever HE DOES - HE DOES whatever HE PLEASES ALSO!   (and still cannot break His Own Word)

Like you posted "that does not seem to include babies".

Thus,  the unknown,  even if unthinkable to people of the world,  is still unknown.  People of the world, including multitudes of carnal Christians (in name anyway),  HOPE they can all get to heaven somehow - as if surely GOD will not do what GOD SAID HE WILL DO.

They are in for devastating disappointment !   HE ALWAYS accomplishes HIS WORD.  They will not escape judgment..... no one does....  either they die, or JESUS DIES in their place/ for them.  There are no other options in SCRIPTURE.  No other way.

I agree. Jesus is the ONLY way - there is no salvation in Buddha, nor in Muhammad. 

[simplejeff]

9 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

The harvest is the end of the age,

Jesus said "the harvest is ripe, ready and the laborers are few",  pray ABBA YHVH send laborers for the harvest,

THEN AT ONCE JESUS appointed and sent out HIS DISCIPLES (including the APOSTLES) .......

[simplejeff]

19 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

None of us are making God's decisions for Him on a second by second basis!

Edited: just noticed "making God's decisions for Him"  we never do that.

Jesus says MY sheep know MY VOICE and follow ME.

That is what we do, according to Jesus.   We (like sheep) have peace as long as we hear HIS VOICE and follow HIM.  If we go play with wolves,   haha.... well,  HE SENDS US OUT as sheep in the midst of ravenous wolves, doesn't HE?  (as HE SAYS).  but not to tempt God.  As His Witnesses, in the testimony of JESUS everywhere we go,  every day, all the time.

We don't make God's decisions ever.  We listen always, and DO as HE SAYS.  All the time:  "IN UNION with JESUS" living daily with HIM.

Read HIS WORD, and see who does. (OT and NT) (mainly NT for now, today).

[simplejeff]

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I think we ARE at the end of the age.

Likewise (see previous post a few posts back)  JESUS , the APOSTLES and disciples trained by JESUS thought so too,

and the FATHER in heaven and JESUS taught them !  (Neither the FATHER nor JESUS told them it is not the end of the age)

[iamlamad]

Just now, simplejeff said:

Read HIS WORD, and see who does. (OT and NT) (mainly NT for now, today).

God the Father is the WILL of God. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit defer to Him. As Jesus said, "not my will but Your's be done."

 

In Genesis 1, it is for sure the Holy Spirit knew what was in the mind of the Father, but the Holy Spirit waited for the WORD to say, "let there be light." God the Father planned it, Jesus spoke it, and the Holy Spirit performed it.

[simplejeff]

4 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

God the Father is the WILL of God. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit defer to Him. As Jesus said, "not my will but Your's be done."

 

In Genesis 1, it is for sure the Holy Spirit knew what was in the mind of the Father, but the Holy Spirit waited for the WORD to say, "let there be light." God the Father planned it, Jesus spoke it, and the Holy Spirit performed it.

This  ^^^^^^ is other thoughts,  not for another thread,  not for any thread.  

 

Look to JESUS the author and finisher of our faith ,  and the FATHER who grants us understanding when HE wants to.

[simplejeff]

15 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

 

Edited: just noticed "making God's decisions for Him"  we never do that.

Jesus says MY sheep know MY VOICE and follow ME.

That is what we do, according to Jesus.   We (like sheep) have peace as long as we hear HIS VOICE and follow HIM.  If we go play with wolves,   haha.... well,  HE SENDS US OUT as sheep in the midst of ravenous wolves, doesn't HE?  (as HE SAYS).  but not to tempt God.  As His Witnesses, in the testimony of JESUS everywhere we go,  every day, all the time.

We don't make God's decisions ever.  We listen always, and DO as HE SAYS.  All the time:  "IN UNION with JESUS" living daily with HIM.

Read HIS WORD, and see who does. (OT and NT) (mainly NT for now, today).