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6 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

If you read the Bible, in the time before Jesus' birth, God spoke to man as Himself.

Yes, this is the very point I am making.  According to the Bible, the God of the Old Testament was Jesus.  Job said it best in Job 19:25 when he said, "But as for me I know that my Redeemer lives."  And by Redeemer he means Jesus, the one who saves us from our sins.  And the one who paid the price to set us free, and the one who is God above all other Gods.  And the one who was talking to him right then and there.

And to prove this point Job said this about God as Jesus Chapter 19.  "And that as Christ he will stand upon the earth at the last day.  And after my body rises from the grave I will see him as he is.  Yes, I am overjoyed at the thought."

See when we read the Bible we must use proper exegesis as Job did.  That is, we must compare what God says about himself in one Scripture with what he says about himself in another and arrive at the proper conclusion.  For instance, God said in Genesis 1:1 that he created the heavens and the earth.  But in John 1:3 Jesus says the same thing about himself.

So the proper exegesis or conclusion is this. Yes, God made the heavens and the earth, but he did it as Jesus.  This is why Job said to Jesus or God as Jesus near the end of his book, "You are to wonderful for me to understand so I will just trust in what you say."

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On 4/15/2018 at 5:32 AM, KiwiChristian said:

How can Jesus Christ be God? 

In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it? I’d like you to think about yourself for a moment. You are one man, with three parts. 

1) You have a body which gives you world consciousness through your five senses. Your body is 100% human. It allows you to interact with the physical universe. 

2) You have a soul made up of your mind, emotions and will, also known as your personality. This gives you self consciousness. It is 100% human. 

3) You have a spirit which gives you God consciousness making you think that there is a God. It is your “God detector.” It is also 100% human. 

So you are one man with three parts. You are a trinity, meaning three in one. (1 Thess. 5:23). 

We can represent God in a similar manner with 3 circles. Islam, the Quran, Christianity and the Bible all believe in one God. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus teaches that there is only one true God by the singular word name, not names, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. The one true God has three parts known as the Father, the HUIOS Son and the Holy Spirit. 

1) As we have a spirit that is 100% human, so God has a Spirit called the Holy Spirit, who is 100% God. 

2) As we have a body that is 100% human that interacts with the physical universe, so God has something like a body through which He interacts with the physical universe, called the Son who is 100% God. It was God the Huios Son that spoke and appeared to Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, Isaiah and who was conceived into Mary as Jesus Christ. Before His conception, the Huios Son was only 100% God, but after His conception He was both 100% God and 100% man. It is like you having both an Iranian passport and an Australian passport. This makes you 100% Iranian and 100% Australian. 

3) As you have a soul which is 100% human that tells your body what to do, so God has something like a soul called God the Father who tells the Huios Son what to do, such as to be conceived in Mary. Therefore, as you are one man with a spirit, soul and body, each being 100% human, so there is one true God made up of the Father, the Huios Son, and the Holy Spirit, each part being 100% God. As you are a trinity, so God is the Trinity, made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is in Proverbs 30:4; Psalm 2:12; Isaiah 9:6; 48:12,13,16; Daniel 3:25; Micah 5:2; Exodus 3:3-15; (24:9-18); John 8:58,59,24. 

Three points my friend:

1. Man is made in the IMAGE of God {Genesis 1: 26-27} BUT is NOT GOD

God is Rational and humanity is the ONLY THING in the Universe that is ALSO Rational

2.  John.10:30 "I and the Father are one."

3. Your "OPQ"  denies that God IS the Blessed Trinity:

Matthew 3: 13-17 "[13] Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. [14] John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" [15] But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented. [16] And when Jesus {GOD THE SON} was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God {GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT}descending like a dove, and alighting on him; [17] and lo, a voice from heaven, {GOD THE  THE FATHER} saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." 

The three "persons' of the Blessed Trinity are Co-Equal & Co-Eternal"

Easter Blessings,

Patrick

 

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On ‎15‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 7:32 PM, KiwiChristian said:

How can Jesus Christ be God? 

In Genesis 1:26, “God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This shows that man has a similar image or likeness to God. What is it? I’d like you to think about yourself for a moment. You are one man, with three parts. 

1) You have a body which gives you world consciousness through your five senses. Your body is 100% human. It allows you to interact with the physical universe. 

2) You have a soul made up of your mind, emotions and will, also known as your personality. This gives you self consciousness. It is 100% human. 

3) You have a spirit which gives you God consciousness making you think that there is a God. It is your “God detector.” It is also 100% human. 

So you are one man with three parts. You are a trinity, meaning three in one. (1 Thess. 5:23). 

We can represent God in a similar manner with 3 circles. Islam, the Quran, Christianity and the Bible all believe in one God. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus teaches that there is only one true God by the singular word name, not names, “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”. The one true God has three parts known as the Father, the HUIOS Son and the Holy Spirit. 

1) As we have a spirit that is 100% human, so God has a Spirit called the Holy Spirit, who is 100% God. 

2) As we have a body that is 100% human that interacts with the physical universe, so God has something like a body through which He interacts with the physical universe, called the Son who is 100% God. It was God the Huios Son that spoke and appeared to Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, Isaiah and who was conceived into Mary as Jesus Christ. Before His conception, the Huios Son was only 100% God, but after His conception He was both 100% God and 100% man. It is like you having both an Iranian passport and an Australian passport. This makes you 100% Iranian and 100% Australian. 

3) As you have a soul which is 100% human that tells your body what to do, so God has something like a soul called God the Father who tells the Huios Son what to do, such as to be conceived in Mary. Therefore, as you are one man with a spirit, soul and body, each being 100% human, so there is one true God made up of the Father, the Huios Son, and the Holy Spirit, each part being 100% God. As you are a trinity, so God is the Trinity, made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is in Proverbs 30:4; Psalm 2:12; Isaiah 9:6; 48:12,13,16; Daniel 3:25; Micah 5:2; Exodus 3:3-15; (24:9-18); John 8:58,59,24. 


 

Many people believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity are one, that is, united, in one body.

The word Trinity is not mentioned once in Scripture in the entire Bible. The

word Godhead is mentioned three times in; (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9).
The term Godhead simply means that which is divine. It is used of Jesus Himself
in (Col. 2:9-10), "For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead
bodily," "And ye are complete IN HIM which is the head of all principality
and power." (Jesus overcame all principalities and powers by His death and
resurrection). We are complete in Him only in unity as He, the Father, and the
Holy Ghost are one in unity and not bodily.

The word Trinity means the union of the three persons in the Godhead, each who
IS called God and Lord in various Scriptures throughout the Bible, and who are
"Self-existent" and "Eternal." In Psalm 110:1; Matt. 22:44;
Zech. 2:10-11 we have the Father and the Son both called "Lord," and
when we read Ex. 16:7 with Heb. 3:7-8 and Isa. 6:8-9 with Acts 28:25 and Ex.
17:7 with Heb. 3:7-9, and Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16 these Scriptures
prove that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord." The Holy Spirit is
distinctly called God in Acts 5:3-4. Here Peter here askes Ananias, why he kept
back part of the price . . . why Ananias let Satan fill his heart to lie to the
Holy Ghost . . . and Peter goes on to say Ananias had not lied to men but to
God."

God the Father, God the Son, AND God the Holy Ghost, in one (unified) Godhead
or divinity, so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance,
but three separate and distinct persons as to indivuality. Three separate and
distinct persons are spoken of in (1 John 5:7). Jesus Himself declared and taught
us to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the
Holy Ghost (Matt. 28:19).

Scriptures such as "one Lord" (Deut 6:4) and "one God"
(Mal. 2:10) means unitied, or united in one. Similarly, the scriptures
"They shall be one flesh" (Gen. 2:24); "the people are one"
(Gen. 11:6), do not mean all the people are one in body.

In the beginning God revealed the Godhead as consisting of more than one
person. In Gen. 2:26 "And God said, LET US make man in OUR IMAGE, after
OUR LIKENESS." Also in Gen. 3:22 He plainly said, "The man is become
AS ONE OF US." The phrase "as one of" means "like each
person of several persons of the same kind," as proved wherever the
statement "as one of" is found in Scripture (Gen. 19:14; 42:27;
49:16; Ex. 12:48; Lev. 19:34; 24:22; Num. 12:12; 2 Sam. 13:13; 14:13; Job 12:4;
ect., no person uses such a phrase and not refer to more than one person who
could make "us." If God refers to the Godhead as "us" we
should take it that He knows what He is talking about and that there are more
than one person in the Godhead.

In John 1:1 we have the statement, "In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word became flesh and dwelt
among us in John 1:14. We know the Word God took upon Himself a flesh and bone
body and became Jesus. We must ask ourselves which God was the Word with in the
beginning in John 1:1? He was with the Father for in (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3) Paul
said that "Christ was God's and God was "the head of Christ."
Jesus dwelt amongst us whilst the Father remained in Heaven.

Acts 2:33-39 refers to three separate persons of the deity: It is said of
Jesus [one person], "Therefore being BY THE RIGHT HAND of God exalted and
having RECIEVED OF THE FATHER [another person] the promise OF THE HOLY GHOST [a
third person] He hath shed forth THIS [the Holy Ghost] which ye now SEE and
HEAR." Thus TWO persons, Jesus in His flesh and bone body, and the Father
who is spirit, stayed in Heaven sitting side by side, and the Holy Ghost (a third
person) came from the two in Heaven to take the place of Jesus among men.

If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God"
in one body, all the Scriptures mentioned above are lies, and if they are lies
then the whole Bible cannot be believed.

The fact that Jesus took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and that He was
resurrected and STILL HAS His flesh and bone body and sits at the Fathers right
hand in Heaven in it, (Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), is proved by His statement to
His disciples; "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle
me, and see; for spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke
24:39); and to Thomas Jesus said; "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my
hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not
faithless, but believing" (John 20:27). And Thomas answered and said unto
Him, My Lord AND my God" (John 21:28).

How could Jesus, a self confessed flesh and bones being, be sitting at the
Fathers right hand [the Father being spirit] in Heaven and be "one"
in body with the Father? Jesus Himself said above, "Spirit doth not have
flesh and bone as ye see me have." If Jesus and the Father are
"one" in body, then the Father must be flesh and bone, or Jesus must
be spirit, and this would be a lie. Jesus will have His flesh and bone body for
all eternity (Zech. 13:6).

And what was Jesus saying and asking the Father when He prayed to the Father
this prayer;
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come
to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given
me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE" (John 17:11).

And, "That they MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father art IN ME, and I IN THEE, that
they MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou has sent me"
(John 17:21).

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE
ONE, even AS WE ARE ONE: I in them, and thou IN ME, that they may be made
perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know etc., (John 17:22-23). "And I
have declared unto them thy name, and I will declare it: that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, AND I IN THEM" (John 17:26).

Jesus prayed to the Father to keep His disciples and all His followers
"one in unity" as He and the Father were. He never asked the Father
to allow all the followers and disciples all to get inside one of them and form
"one body" as fundamental Christianity wrongly teaches Jesus and the
Father are.

Jesus upbraided the disciples not for their misunderstanding, but for their
unbelief (Mark 16:13-14), and he will upbraid us as well if we do not believe
who He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are. They are one in unity not body as
these plain simple Scriptures state.

Jesus said;
"And the Father Himself, [one person] which hath sent me [another person,
hath born WITNESS OF ME. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen
His shape (JOhn 5:37). How can this Scripture be true if they are
"ONE" as many people and Christians today believe?

Jesus instructs us to "Search the Scriptures; for in the ye THINK ye have
eternal life: and they which testify of me" (John 5:39). How can we pray
to a God if we do not know who He is? Jesus said, "Ask me nothing. Verily
verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father IN MY NAME, He will
give it you"(John 16:23). The Father never refuses Jesus anything, so when
we ask the Father in the Name of Jesus, to the Father its like Jesus asking the
Father Himself. They are two separate individual self existant beings, sitting beside
each other in Heaven. This is as clear and as simple to believe as any other
doctrin in the Bible. Our plain common sense tells us that one person cannot
sit beside himself, and God would not expect us to believe He sits beside
Himself in two types of bodies, constantly transforming Himself at will, asking
Himself questions and invoking prayers in His Jesus Name, and then answering
them to His Jesus self as the Father. To believe this theory of Satan, which is
continued by men is plain madness.

A God who could not make Himself clear, or had to be interpreted and be
declared a mystery is no God at all. Let us believe, like sensible men, that
God can make Himself understood. He will hold men responsible for what He says,
not for what men interpret His words to say. He has a right to judge men in the
end if they constantly make Him false in all that He says, if they listen to
satanic theories. "He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, hath
one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
the last day" (John 12:48; Rev. 20:11-15). This should be enough for men
to quit the foolishness of changing God's Word to mean anything they want it to
mean? It is the height of ignorance for anyone to claim to know God better than
He has revealed Himself to be.

The Trinity consists of three divine beings each with their own separate body,
soul, and Spirit as over 500 Scriptures prove. To deny this and believe that
God is three persons in one body is to believe the theories of men which cannot
be supported Scripturally

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On ‎28‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:12 AM, Still Alive said:

I don't think people have spirits unless they are born again. The spirit is what is born.

Every living thing has a body, soul and spirit. The soul is that which feels and the spirit is that which knows. 
The body of any being is the outward form or house in which his soul and spirit dwells (Gen. 2:7, 19; John 5:28-29; Matt. 27:12; 1 Cor. 15:34-58; Jas. 2:26; 1 Thess. 5:23; Heb. 10:5-10). There are spiritual and natural bodies, or heavenly and earthly bodies; and both kinds are real (1 Cor. 15:40-49).

Animals have both feelings and knowledge although somewhat limited and on a much lower scale than that of man. Animals were not created in the likeness of God as men are. They are a lower type of life and they have souls and spirits in the sense of feelings, emotions, appetites, desires, passions, and a low form of knowledge, as can be seen in may Scriptures.

If there are horses in Heaven as the Scriptures teach then there must be all kinds of animals there for Heaven is called a better place, and therefore it is sure to be as good as the Earth (Hebrews 11:10-16).

Scriptures teach that there is a difference between the natural spirit of man and the spirit of beasts (Eccl. 3:21); that there is a difference between "breath" and "spirit" (Job 34:15; Ps. 19:7; Luke 12:19; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Cor. 7:1) ; and that each creature has a separate spirit which is not a part of God (Num. 16:22; 27:17; Eccl. 3:21 ; Ezek. 21:7; Dan. 2:1-3; Mal. 2:15-16; Prov. 16:2; 1 Cor. 2:10-12; 14:32; Heb. 12:9, 23; 1 Thess. 5:23).

Eccl. 3:21 states this; "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

The soul is that invisible part of all living beings that feels, the seat of his affections, emotions, passions, and desires, and which gives him self consciousness and makes him a sentient being (Lev. 23:43; 1 Sam. 22:2; 30:6; 2 Sam. 13:39; 2 Kings 4:27; 23:3; Ps. 107:5, 9, 18, 26; Mark 12:33; Matt. 26:38; John 12:27; Heb. 10:38; Heb. 4:12).

The spirit is that invisible part of all living beings that knows, the seat of his intellect, mind, and will, and that which gives him self-determination and makes him a free moral agent and a rational being (1 Cor. 2:11; Matt. 26:41; Exodus 35:21; Job 38:8, 18; Prov. 20:27; Phil. 4:12; Jas. 2:26; 1 Thess. 5:23).

The Bible teaches that unsaved men do not have God's Spirit in them (Rom. 8:9-16; John 4:4-6); that God's Spirit is not received until the new birth (John 3:1-5; 14:17; Rom. 8:9-16) ; that there is a difference between the natural spirit of man and beasts (Eccl. 3:21) ; that there is a difference between breath and spirit (Job 34:15; Ps. 19:7; Luke 12:19; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Cor. 7:1) ; and that each creature has a separate spirit which is not a part of God (Num. 16:22; 27:17; Eccl. 3:21; Ezek. 21:7; Dan. 2:1-3; Mal. 2:15-16;  Prov. 16:2; 1 Cor. 2:10-12; 14:32; Heb. 12:9, 23; 1 Thess. 5:23).  If we try to substitute breath for soul and spirit in all of the above passages we will see how ridiculous such meanings are.

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14 minutes ago, Cletus said:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1;2, The same was in the beginning WITH GOD. 

The Word was God and the Word was with God, and the Word later was made flesh, (John 1:14).

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before you do the usual 200 pages of this subject, you all should come to an agreement of what the word God really means.    We are using it in reference to Biblical writings so one should understand what the writers of the Bible believed that word referenced.     and remember that the old testament transcripts have no capitol letters and the New Testament was written in all caps so we really have no difference between God and god in the original languages except for the context that the translators decided on.

Much is put into these threads and many disagreements arise largely because what we mean by that word today is not what the original writers of the Bible were referring to.

When we see "God" we automatically place certain attributes to the word that are not in the original language.

So unless you want to spend a lot of time filling this thread up with disagreements, first get a good understanding of what the word written meant in the first temple time period and also the second temple time period and also in the days of Jesus here in the flesh.

Remember that the same word is used for the Father, Son, Spirit, Moloch, Baal, gold, silver money and even people.   and I know a few people today who consider their god to be themselves.  There are even people who hold the Bible itself in such high levels as to make it a god in itself.

 

If you are going to have discussions of what the Bible is saying to you, understand it in the context of what the people of the time it was written would have understood.

 

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7 hours ago, Still Alive said:

So, you agree with this guy:

 

No, I agree with the very Word of God and every Scripture I have provided regarding the doctrine of the body, soul and spirit in my last post.

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On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 4:46 PM, HAZARD said:

No, I agree with the very Word of God and every Scripture I have provided regarding the doctrine of the body, soul and spirit in my last post.

So, basically, like the CI vs ECT debate, we both believe what the bible says, but disagree on what the bible says. :)

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On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 4:46 PM, HAZARD said:

No, I agree with the very Word of God and every Scripture I have provided regarding the doctrine of the body, soul and spirit in my last post.

Well, I certainly agree with the word of God as well. I was talking about your interpretation of the word of God.

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4 hours ago, Still Alive said:

Well, I certainly agree with the word of God as well. I was talking about your interpretation of the word of God.

I did not interpret anything. I quoted dozens of Scriptures on the subject, "How can Jesus be God," being discussed. All you have done so far is post a video and say, "I don't agree with your interpretation of God's Word. I don't care. We either believe the Scriptures or not. Its our free will choice.

The word Trinity is not mentioned once in Scripture in the entire Bible. The

word Godhead is mentioned three times in; (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9).
The term Godhead simply means that which is divine. It is used of Jesus Himself
in (Col. 2:9-10), "For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead
bodily," "And ye are complete IN HIM which is the head of all principality
and power." (Jesus overcame all principalities and powers by His death and
resurrection). We are complete in Him only in unity as He, the Father, and the
Holy Ghost are one in unity and not bodily.

The word Trinity means the union of the three persons in the Godhead, each who
IS called God and Lord in various Scriptures throughout the Bible, and who are
"Self-existent" and "Eternal." In Psalm 110:1; Matt. 22:44;
Zech. 2:10-11 we have the Father and the Son both called "Lord," and
when we read Ex. 16:7 with Heb. 3:7-8 and Isa. 6:8-9 with Acts 28:25 and Ex.
17:7 with Heb. 3:7-9, and Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16 these Scriptures
prove that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord." The Holy Spirit is
distinctly called God in Acts 5:3-4. Here Peter here askes Ananias, why he kept
back part of the price . . . why Ananias let Satan fill his heart to lie to the
Holy Ghost . . . and Peter goes on to say Ananias had not lied to men but to
God."

God the Father, God the Son, AND God the Holy Ghost, in one (unified) Godhead
or divinity, so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance,
but three separate and distinct persons as to indivuality. Three separate and
distinct persons are spoken of in (1 John 5:7). Jesus Himself declared and taught
us to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the
Holy Ghost (Matt. 28:19).

Scriptures such as "one Lord" (Deut 6:4) and "one God"
(Mal. 2:10) means unitied, or united in one. Similarly, the scriptures
"They shall be one flesh" (Gen. 2:24); "the people are one"
(Gen. 11:6), do not mean all the people are one in body.

In the beginning God revealed the Godhead as consisting of more than one
person. In Gen. 2:26 "And God said, LET US make man in OUR IMAGE, after
OUR LIKENESS." Also in Gen. 3:22 He plainly said, "The man is become
AS ONE OF US." The phrase "as one of" means "like each
person of several persons of the same kind," as proved wherever the
statement "as one of" is found in Scripture (Gen. 19:14; 42:27;
49:16; Ex. 12:48; Lev. 19:34; 24:22; Num. 12:12; 2 Sam. 13:13; 14:13; Job 12:4;
ect., no person uses such a phrase and not refer to more than one person who
could make "us." If God refers to the Godhead as "us" we
should take it that He knows what He is talking about and that there are more
than one person in the Godhead.

In John 1:1 we have the statement, "In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word became flesh and dwelt
among us in John 1:14. We know the Word God took upon Himself a flesh and bone
body and became Jesus. We must ask ourselves which God was the Word with in the
beginning in John 1:1? He was with the Father for in (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3) Paul
said that "Christ was God's and God was "the head of Christ."
Jesus dwelt amongst us whilst the Father remained in Heaven.

Acts 2:33-39 refers to three separate persons of the deity: It is said of
Jesus [one person], "Therefore being BY THE RIGHT HAND of God exalted and
having RECIEVED OF THE FATHER [another person] the promise OF THE HOLY GHOST [a
third person] He hath shed forth THIS [the Holy Ghost] which ye now SEE and
HEAR." Thus TWO persons, Jesus in His flesh and bone body, and the Father
who is spirit, stayed in Heaven sitting side by side, and the Holy Ghost (a third
person) came from the two in Heaven to take the place of Jesus among men.

If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God"
in one body, all the Scriptures mentioned above are lies, and if they are lies
then the whole Bible cannot be believed.

The fact that Jesus took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and that He was
resurrected and STILL HAS His flesh and bone body and sits at the Fathers right
hand in Heaven in it, (Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), is proved by His statement to
His disciples; "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle
me, and see; for spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke
24:39); and to Thomas Jesus said; "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my
hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not
faithless, but believing" (John 20:27). And Thomas answered and said unto
Him, My Lord AND my God" (John 21:28).

How could Jesus, a self confessed flesh and bones being, be sitting at the
Fathers right hand [the Father being spirit] in Heaven and be "one"
in body with the Father? Jesus Himself said above, "Spirit doth not have
flesh and bone as ye see me have." If Jesus and the Father are
"one" in body, then the Father must be flesh and bone, or Jesus must
be spirit, and this would be a lie. Jesus will have His flesh and bone body for
all eternity (Zech. 13:6).

And what was Jesus saying and asking the Father when He prayed to the Father
this prayer;
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come
to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given
me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE" (John 17:11).

And, "That they MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father art IN ME, and I IN THEE, that
they MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou has sent me"
(John 17:21).

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE
ONE, even AS WE ARE ONE: I in them, and thou IN ME, that they may be made
perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know etc., (John 17:22-23). "And I
have declared unto them thy name, and I will declare it: that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, AND I IN THEM" (John 17:26).

Jesus prayed to the Father to keep His disciples and all His followers
"one in unity" as He and the Father were. He never asked the Father
to allow all the followers and disciples all to get inside one of them and form
"one body" as fundamental Christianity wrongly teaches Jesus and the
Father are.

Jesus upbraided the disciples not for their misunderstanding, but for their
unbelief (Mark 16:13-14), and he will upbraid us as well if we do not believe
who He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are. They are one in unity not body as
these plain simple Scriptures state.

Jesus said;
"And the Father Himself, [one person] which hath sent me [another person,
hath born WITNESS OF ME. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen
His shape (JOhn 5:37). How can this Scripture be true if they are
"ONE" as many people and Christians today believe?

Jesus instructs us to "Search the Scriptures; for in the ye THINK ye have
eternal life: and they which testify of me" (John 5:39). How can we pray
to a God if we do not know who He is? Jesus said, "Ask me nothing. Verily
verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father IN MY NAME, He will
give it you"(John 16:23). The Father never refuses Jesus anything, so when
we ask the Father in the Name of Jesus, to the Father its like Jesus asking the
Father Himself. They are two separate individual self existant beings, sitting beside
each other in Heaven. This is as clear and as simple to believe as any other
doctrin in the Bible. Our plain common sense tells us that one person cannot
sit beside himself, and God would not expect us to believe He sits beside
Himself in two types of bodies, constantly transforming Himself at will, asking
Himself questions and invoking prayers in His Jesus Name, and then answering
them to His Jesus self as the Father. To believe this theory of Satan, which is
continued by men is plain madness.

A God who could not make Himself clear, or had to be interpreted and be
declared a mystery is no God at all. Let us believe, like sensible men, that
God can make Himself understood. He will hold men responsible for what He says,
not for what men interpret His words to say. He has a right to judge men in the
end if they constantly make Him false in all that He says, if they listen to
satanic theories. "He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, hath
one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
the last day" (John 12:48; Rev. 20:11-15). This should be enough for men
to quit the foolishness of changing God's Word to mean anything they want it to
mean? It is the height of ignorance for anyone to claim to know God better than
He has revealed Himself to be.

The Trinity consists of three divine beings each with their own separate body,
soul, and Spirit as over 500 Scriptures prove. To deny this and believe that
God is three persons in one body is to believe the theories of men which cannot
be supported Scripturally

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